Shop Heat

[BIGNASTY]

Got some heat in shop, FIL said its to cold to work out there building one of his cookers

Have a Torpedo Heater says it will run on #1 or 2 diesel, Kerosene, JP8, or Jet A

The best fuel, cleanest most BTU output would be???????????????

Thanks
BIG

 

[Hoefler]

I run #2 with a little of gas added. 4 ounces of gas to 1 gallon of diesel. Burns very clean and has had no ill affects on my 40 year old heater.

 

[Crazy Horse]

The best fuel, cleanest most BTU output would be???????????????

Thanks
BIG

Here is the best and the cleanest. Seer 21 Air Conditioner or heater, high mount split unit. So far it works great in the 90's and the teens.

 

[mwilson]

Got some heat in shop, FIL said its to cold to work out there building one of his cookers

Have a Torpedo Heater says it will run on #1 or 2 diesel, Kerosene, JP8, or Jet A

The best fuel, cleanest most BTU output would be???????????????


Thanks
BIG

Used to work around space heaters (or salamanders in local speak) and found them unbearable on #2 fuel. The fumes would get to you after a bit.
We also found starting them out from day one on # 1 fuel made for a lot nicer work conditions. If they had ever had #2 run through them at any point they would be fumey even after switching to #1 fuel.

We have several salamanders for standby use at the shop and we will only run #1 fuel in them. Same goes for our portable pressure washers.

JMHO.

Mike.

 

[TFucili]

Mike is right. I sold/serviced hundreds of Reddy Heaters, and they work best on K-1 Kerosene. Otherwise, if you have the ceiling height a Reznor radiant setup works great. In my last garage I ran a Modine hydronic heater off a separate zone on the boiler.

 

[JR]

I prefer the propane salamanders over fuel oil. They burn cleaner and don't leave you with a headache. They will not draw off the small 20# bottles so if you have to buy a larger bottle that adds to the initial investment but aside from that the cost to run them is minimal. I had to completely tear my ATV down to the frame to split the front case and my 40# bottle lasted me the entire time I was out there. Probably 25 to 30 Hours, not sure how much is left in it but I'm guessing by the weight still a few hours at least. and alot of that was single digit weather and some subzero weather.

 

[JR]

Here is the best and the cleanest. Seer 21 Air Conditioner or heater, high mount split unit. So far it works great in the 90's and the teens.

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Is that essentially a heat pump? Where the refrigeration cycle is reversed to heat the coil? Or is there a strip mounted in the wall mount for heat? Heat pumps have come a long way and are very efficient in the temperature range they are intended for but when it drops down below the low 20s an auxiliary source is needed to supplement. Looks like a nice unit.

 

[Crazy Horse]

From what I understand there is a heat strip in it similar to the one on the house (a Lennox). Here is a link to the specs. The elect. bills since the beginning of last summer are $35-$45. And that running all the lights ( 6 pr. of 8' HO, and 8 pr. of 4' florescent tubes in the shop, a/compressor, and refrigerator. Now a welder Mig 160.

 

[BIGNASTY]

We have got one that is set up and runs in our shop gen shed, not at home right now but will get back home and read all the replies thanks for helping out

BIG

 

[Bill Stockard]

From what I understand there is a heat strip in it similar to the one on the house (a Lennox).

I heat-cool my shop office (includes full bathroom, laundry, fridge, and mini-kitchen) with a Lennox heat pump. Our house is also heated-cooled with a 19 SEER Lennox heat pump. They both have built in heat strips for use when the heat pump goes into a "Defrost/De-ice" mode. The heat strip prevents the system from blowing cold air into the rooms when on the defrost cycle.

I heat my shop with a Lennox 100,000 BTU LP gas fired fan forced vent unit heater controlled by a thermostat that I keep on 55 degrees. It's hangs from the roof purlins and is about 15 to 18-ft off the floor for clearance.

Bill

 

[BIGNASTY]

This is what we have come up with in our quest to heat a steel shop building that's 40' x 70' x 25' it takes it a little bit but by the time its fired I do my chores and eat breakfast then come back out the shop is not to bad considering the outside starting temp was - 15* the day we got it put in the shop generator shed and had some heat ducting ran into the shop with a temporary set up until the shop within the shop is done and the ducting can be permanently installed. The shop generator runs on Red dye diesel so we just tapped into the line and into the heater via a fuel filter/ heater (that we only have used the filter as of now) This is pretty loud so im glad that its outside the shop in another small building with vents for intake and exhaust. http://www.heatwagon.com/breakdowns_2009/HVF410/HVF410.pdf

I would like to ask a question on the heat pumps that you have installed Crazy Horse, Bill Stockard

We have a family member that is Gird tied (one reason that those wont work in our off grid system) but I was wondering how to heat the entire home is it via a central ducting distribution box then to each room via flexible duct work? or is it that one of the wall mount units would need to be in each space to be heated?


Thanks

BIG

 

[NIsaacs]

That heat wagon uses about $8.00 an hour for fuel, plus the generator Have you considered a waste oil furnace? Thats a large building to heat.

Nick

 

[BIGNASTY]

That heat wagon uses about $8.00 an hour for fuel, plus the generator Have you considered a waste oil furnace? Thats a large building to heat.

Nick

Have been looking at different fuel options Nick, FIL said not to worry about the fuel bill he is picking up the tab for the off road diesel, he has some of his cattle here and its a write off he needs. Once it gets the place fairly warm it can be cut down and has a recycle option. The shop has insulation on the inside walls and roof, and really wasn't that bad with just my smudge pot and 55 gal drum wood stove. But im not 86 years old either, it was his option to buy this as he works a significant amount of time in the shop building things as his hobby. I do have a call in to Heat wagon for a question on BIO we have an almost unlimited supply of canola cooking oil and we can make the stuff for about $.80 per gal. I know that the 4BT Cummins Genset runs just fine on the stuff but not sure about the Heat wagon.

BIG

 

[Bill Stockard]

I would like to ask a question on the heat pumps that you have installed Crazy Horse, Bill Stockard

We have a family member that is Gird tied (one reason that those wont work in our off grid system) but I was wondering how to heat the entire home is it via a central ducting distribution box then to each room via flexible duct work? or is it that one of the wall mount units would need to be in each space to be heated?


Thanks

BIG

Fan forced through heavily insulated duct work in the attic in both the shop office and our house. I don't know what it costs to run the heat pump in the shop office since the both the shop and house are on the same electric meter. Our electric power cost is slightly higher in the summer than in the winter. Our local REA charges a lower rate per kwh in the winter.

Bill

 

[BIGNASTY]

Bill Thanks

The application that is being considered would be for winter heat, our summer time high temps are at the very most the high 90's and with the windows and doors open and the cool mountain breeze it doesn't feel like the 90's. I haven't seen it much past 80, if it does go up its only for a few hours until the evening time.

THANKS Bill

BIG

 

[Bill Stockard]

Bill Thanks

The application that is being considered would be for winter heat, our summer time high temps are at the very most the high 90's and with the windows and doors open and the cool mountain breeze it doesn't feel like the 90's. I haven't seen it much past 80, if it does go up its only for a few hours until the evening time.

THANKS Bill

BIG

Yep, those cool mountain breezes are low humidity too which makes it feel cooler. Our 100+ degree summer breeze, on the other hand, is loaded with humidity off the Gulf of Mexico which makes it feel much warmer. Our A/C system, in addition to lowering the inside temperature, lowers the relative humidity inside which makes it feel cool.

Bill

 

[BIGNASTY]

I remember the humidity part of Texas, that's what made it unbearable for me, just doing something as strenuous as BREATHING!! and sweating profusely.

BIG