Filters (Again)

[JLandry]

OK so now I am going to change mine tonight, my question is where is it in the manual how to reset the evic for the fuel filter change I see the one for the oil filter but not the fuel.

It's in the Factory Service Manual...

Once the fuel filter maintenance has been preformed, the Fuel Filter Life monitor can be reset by:

• Vehicle in RUN with engine OFF (no RPM)
• Hold the right arrow (3) down to reset the monitor.

John L.

 

[CBari]

Changed the fuel filters tonight and I have a few observation.

1. The engine mounted filter hold more fuel than the 5.9 one did I know this cause my bottle with hose attached that I have been using for 10 years while change the filters on the old trucks filled up and over flowed into the floor. Insert appropriate four letter words here.

2. I changed my filters for a couple of reasons 1. The EVIC said to. 2. The truck was 6 months old to me. It had 10k on the clock. The engine filter was as clean as new one I was putting in. It was hard for to change it seeing how clean it was, but I did.

3. The rear frame mounted filter also made a mess the drain wouldn't drain with just one turn as the manual stated it took two turns which in turn let it leak around the treads which put more fuel in the floor. Now once drained I was stuck with problem #2 how best to get water in fuel sensor out. While I had sockets big enough to fit it I couldn't figure out how to make it work with the wire attached. I didn't really have a wrench big enough to fit it other than channel locks and I didn't want to damage it with those, so out of pure luck I was able to unscrew it by hand. Now for the filter itself I see that the cummins gorilla must be on load to ram in Mexico cause my strap wrench caved the side of the filter in taking it off. I put the filter back on by hand and plan to check it regularly for leaks.

I had intended to also change the oil tonight but the wife must of thought. I needed to wait as she was out of gallon size ziplock bags. I will attempt to fish the filter out the side and report my luck tomorrow.

While I had some teething issues I'm sure I will get this down to a no mess science before the next change.

 

[BILLUA]

Beware when ordering from Genos. They will let you order items that they know will need to be back ordered.

After the third time wasting my time going through that, I am done doing business with them.

Advice if you must order from them, call and order so you don't waste your time.

YMMV

 

[jkern]

After reading this thread, it got me thinking as well: for my 2011 6.7 Geno's specifies 3 different filters, the Fleetguard, the Mopar, and Mopar Nanonet. When comparing the three the cheapest one is the nanonet, yet it has the best filtration ratings (5 then 3 microns). Does this not make any sense to anyone else?? On another thought though; of the Dodge recommended filters, one of them is rated as a 12 micron filter. I am sure we all want as clean of fuel as we possibly can, but at what level is "good enough"? 12 micron, 10, 5, 2?

 

[Larry Willard]

Beware when ordering from Genos. They will let you order items that they know will need to be back ordered.

After the third time wasting my time going through that, I am done doing business with them.

Advice if you must order from them, call and order so you don't waste your time.

YMMV

I have ordered many times from Geno's and they have always told me if items were in stock or not.
Larry

 

[BILLUA]

I have ordered many times from Geno's and they have always told me if items were in stock or not.
Larry

Did you read what I wrote? I was referring to ordering off their website. Then I suggested calling before ordering.

 

[Too Tall]

Changed the fuel filters tonight and I have a few observation.

1. The engine mounted filter hold more fuel than the 5.9 one did I know this cause my bottle with hose attached that I have been using for 10 years while change the filters on the old trucks filled up and over flowed into the floor. Insert appropriate four letter words here.

2. I changed my filters for a couple of reasons 1. The EVIC said to. 2. The truck was 6 months old to me. It had 10k on the clock. The engine filter was as clean as new one I was putting in. It was hard for to change it seeing how clean it was, but I did.

3. The rear frame mounted filter also made a mess the drain wouldn't drain with just one turn as the manual stated it took two turns which in turn let it leak around the treads which put more fuel in the floor. Now once drained I was stuck with problem #2 how best to get water in fuel sensor out. While I had sockets big enough to fit it I couldn't figure out how to make it work with the wire attached. I didn't really have a wrench big enough to fit it other than channel locks and I didn't want to damage it with those, so out of pure luck I was able to unscrew it by hand. Now for the filter itself I see that the cummins gorilla must be on load to ram in Mexico cause my strap wrench caved the side of the filter in taking it off. I put the filter back on by hand and plan to check it regularly for leaks.

I had intended to also change the oil tonight but the wife must of thought. I needed to wait as she was out of gallon size ziplock bags. I will attempt to fish the filter out the side and report my luck tomorrow.

While I had some teething issues I'm sure I will get this down to a no mess science before the next change.

Looking forward to your oil change experience. I plan on going thru the fender well also. The concern I have is going back in and stabbing the filter in the right spot without contaminating the filter and oil. Just have to be careful.

 

[CBari]

Oil change report not as smooth as changing the old 5.9 3rd generation trucks but with close to 400k on the two them I have done it a few more times. Now for the lessons.

1. Drain plug was pretty tight to remove but came out fine. I replaced it with the straight easy drain from geno's as it has served me well on the other trucks.

2. Oil filter challenge. I have used the metal filter wrench that fits on the flutes on the bottom of the filter for years and thought that there was room for it to work through the finder. I used the metal filter wrench and there was just barely enough room to get it on and then attach the ratchet to it. The cummins gorilla put my oil filter on as it was so tight I had to go cut me a piece of pipe to add to the ratchet to get it broke loose. I had to use the ratchet to turn the filter two full turns before I could turn it by hand. Now the real fun started I took the filter wrench off and put a ziplock bag on the filter. I have used the bag method extensively on the old trucks and never would spill a drop however that wasn't the case tonight. I am going to blame it on the dollar store brand bags my wife bought she usually has some heavy duty freezer bags, but what she brought home wasn't much heavier than a sandwich bag and the zipper was difficult to operate in the tight quarters. I pushed the bag on and unscrewed the filter all the way and let it slip down slowly in my hand till it rested on the frame crossmember. I then zipped the bag closed, I noticed that the filter was full which I figured was a bad sign. I put my finger in threaded opening so I could pick it up and hopefully controll it, this worked well. I came out the fender well with a little resistance but the resistance was enough that it tore the elcheapo ziplock Baggie which ended spilling a fair amount of oil. On a plus side my floor shines now. I have never been a pre filler of oil in my filters so I saw no reason to start now. I applied a little oil to the new filter o ring stuck my finger back in the hole on the top filter again and guided the filter back in and let it sit on the crossmember. Next I picked it up and slowly worked it up to the mount. I figured this would be tough since it impossible to see it, but it started right up. I tightened it as tight as I could get it by hand which is all I haver done before.

3. Added my 3 gallons of john Deere 50plus II oil, cleaned up and resets the EVIC, and started truck and checked for leaks. All was good. The oil pressure was up instantly on start up.

Lessons learned are as follows

If you are going to prefill filter I would remove air box lid and turbo intake tube and come in from the top.
If you are going to use the ziplock bag method get premium bags.
I might invest in a set of filter pliers as I think they will work well.
If my filter is full next time I might used my oil suction device to drain it down.

Good luck.

 

[MJWenrich]

John Deere oil??? First I have heard of that one. Is it made by one of the major companies that we use in Cummins engines? And thanks for the blow by blow. I will be there in a couple months based on the time limit forcing a change and this will help. I ordered the oil bucket from Genos and hope that will work well in place of the cheap plastic bag. But room for it may be the problem.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

You might also look at my report in the current issue of TDR on changing the oil filter.

 

[CBari]

I got to using the JD oil back in 07 when the change to CJ-4 occured. One of my employee's father was a parts manager for a local dealership and a 55 gallon drum was just too cheap not to use at that time it was still a CI-4plus oil. It now is a CJ-4 I have ran some oil analysis of it after 10k on the 5.9s and it was still like new. Price is still very very affordable by the 55gal durm. I remember reading that someone else here uses it. Lots of farms around here use it in everything from lawn mowers all the way to their over the road tractors.

http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US...ils_and_lubricants/plus-50_ii/plus-50_ii.page


I don't think the oil bucket will be a good option unless you are coming from the top.

 

[Too Tall]

Oil change report not as smooth as changing the old 5.9 3rd generation trucks but with close to 400k on the two them I have done it a few more times. Now for the lessons.

1. Drain plug was pretty tight to remove but came out fine. I replaced it with the straight easy drain from geno's as it has served me well on the other trucks.

2. Oil filter challenge. I have used the metal filter wrench that fits on the flutes on the bottom of the filter for years and thought that there was room for it to work through the finder. I used the metal filter wrench and there was just barely enough room to get it on and then attach the ratchet to it. The cummins gorilla put my oil filter on as it was so tight I had to go cut me a piece of pipe to add to the ratchet to get it broke loose. I had to use the ratchet to turn the filter two full turns before I could turn it by hand. Now the real fun started I took the filter wrench off and put a ziplock bag on the filter. I have used the bag method extensively on the old trucks and never would spill a drop however that wasn't the case tonight. I am going to blame it on the dollar store brand bags my wife bought she usually has some heavy duty freezer bags, but what she brought home wasn't much heavier than a sandwich bag and the zipper was difficult to operate in the tight quarters. I pushed the bag on and unscrewed the filter all the way and let it slip down slowly in my hand till it rested on the frame crossmember. I then zipped the bag closed, I noticed that the filter was full which I figured was a bad sign. I put my finger in threaded opening so I could pick it up and hopefully controll it, this worked well. I came out the fender well with a little resistance but the resistance was enough that it tore the elcheapo ziplock Baggie which ended spilling a fair amount of oil. On a plus side my floor shines now. I have never been a pre filler of oil in my filters so I saw no reason to start now. I applied a little oil to the new filter o ring stuck my finger back in the hole on the top filter again and guided the filter back in and let it sit on the crossmember. Next I picked it up and slowly worked it up to the mount. I figured this would be tough since it impossible to see it, but it started right up. I tightened it as tight as I could get it by hand which is all I haver done before.

3. Added my 3 gallons of john Deere 50plus II oil, cleaned up and resets the EVIC, and started truck and checked for leaks. All was good. The oil pressure was up instantly on start up.

Lessons learned are as follows

If you are going to prefill filter I would remove air box lid and turbo intake tube and come in from the top.
If you are going to use the ziplock bag method get premium bags.
I might invest in a set of filter pliers as I think they will work well.
If my filter is full next time I might used my oil suction device to drain it down.

Good luck.

Thanks, that's very good information. I was talking to the oil change guy at the dealer here this morning while waiting on my recall to get done and he does it exactly like you are doing it with the exception of the zip lock. He lets it get on the truck. He says he doesn't fill the filters with oil but the oil pump picks up quickly. But he works it all thru the wheel well.

When I do my first change, I plan on doing the same thing. I'm going to try and fill the filter and seal it with some plastic wrap like the youtube video.
http://youtu.be/txKO8FMXyuI