ERG Service interval

[larryq]

I'm coming up on 62,500 miles and squirreling away funds to get it done.

Called the dealer and asked for a Quote...

He said he can see the induction cleaning maint. and CCV filter replacement, but doesn't see any requirement for service of the EGR, EGR cooler or Heater grid.

Isn't the EGR and COOLER the main reasons for this service?

Shouldn't the dealer have a Cost for this maint complete?

He called me back and said the entire deal will be 1008.00 and take two days due to the parts needing to be soaked overnight.

Seems strange he would consider servicing the EGR and EGR Cooler as a separate service.

L

 

[GSykes]

Had my EGR system done at 64,000 miles on my 08-2500. Mine is registered in Calif. and stock so the service was on them, part of the Calif. emissions requirements, next time on my dime. Changed my CCV filter early at 63,500 miles. My manual states there are two determining factors that determine when EGR system service is to be done, one is by mileage and the other is time. I chose to have mine done on time (age of vehicle since purchased). The service included EGR cooler, EGR valve and crossover piping, that was it. CCV filter is not part of EGR related service, that's your responsibility. I dropped the truck off around 9AM and picked it up at 6PM. If the service is done prior to the owners manual stated mileage 67,500 your EVIC will chime when you reach that mileage and a "see dealer for service" will indicate (ask me how I know this). At that time you will need to reset the EVIC to keep it from chiming each time you start the vehicle. Hope all goes well with it, whatever you decide to do.

 

[Alan Reagan]

Sounds like the service guy doesn't do a lot of diesel work. The dealer here quoted me about $750 to do mine last year on my 2011. I bought the kit from Geno's garage ($124 and it includes all gaskets and filter) and did it myself. Removed the cooler one evening, soaked overnight and installed the next morning. The big PITA was getting the inside mounting bolts for the cooler off. The rest is just tedious bolt removal and installation. So I figure I saved about $550 (the other $26 was for Simple Green and beer used during the soaking process).

 

[larryq]

I'm done doing any exhaust system work.

Been there, done that, hated it every time...

no more of that for me.

I called Cummins Southwest and asked if they could do the work.

They said no and referred me to the dealer I got the quote from.

They said it was where they send their ram diesel parts trucks.

Larry

 

[Alan Reagan]

Understand. It wasn't that bad. Just tedious. Made the beer taste good after it was all done and back together.

 

[TKeeler]

Dealer just quoted me $400 to do the EGR service and another $180 to change the CCV filter. I prefer to do as much of the work on my truck as possible and not have a shop do it but I just might have them do this job. Would really prefer to just not put the EGR back on but don't have the $$$ right now to spend on a programmer.

 

[xcc_rider]

Dealer just quoted me $400 to do the EGR service and another $180 to change the CCV filter. I prefer to do as much of the work on my truck as possible and not have a shop do it but I just might have them do this job. Would really prefer to just not put the EGR back on but don't have the $$$ right now to spend on a programmer.

Buy the filter from Geno's and install it yourself. It takes about 10 minutes if you take your time.
If you don't mind a cel/dtc then just unplug the egr valve and forget about it until you're tuned and delete everything. You'll enjoy the better mileage and you engine will thank you for not making it eat all that soot. After a few oil changes you'll see your oil will stay clean/clear and know you did the right thing.
Between saving $400 on the cleaning and $90 on the ccv filter I'd say you're well on your way to your tuner/delete cost.

I had my egr valve cleaned due to sticking, then replaced due to sticking, egr system cleaned at 67,500 miles, finally said the heck with it and unplugged it 2 years ago after the cleaning and never looked back. I've got 7400 miles on this oil change and it looks like a gasser with 3000 miles on its oil.

 

[RVTRKN]

My dealer quoted me $1100.00 W/O CCV filter, I just laughed and ordered my kit from Geno's. What a joke.

 

[TKeeler]

Buy the filter from Geno's and install it yourself. It takes about 10 minutes if you take your time.
If you don't mind a cel/dtc then just unplug the egr valve and forget about it until you're tuned and delete everything. You'll enjoy the better mileage and you engine will thank you for not making it eat all that soot. After a few oil changes you'll see your oil will stay clean/clear and know you did the right thing.
Between saving $400 on the cleaning and $90 on the ccv filter I'd say you're well on your way to your tuner/delete cost.

I had my egr valve cleaned due to sticking, then replaced due to sticking, egr system cleaned at 67,500 miles, finally said the heck with it and unplugged it 2 years ago after the cleaning and never looked back. I've got 7400 miles on this oil change and it looks like a gasser with 3000 miles on its oil.

So unplugging the EGR Valve creates no other problems other than the CEL being on all the time? What kind of info is the ECM looking for from the plug that is unplugged? It would seem that something could be plugged into the ECM end of that plug to make it think the EGR is still plugged in but I don't know what its looking for. So I can unplug the EGR valve plug and just leave the EGR cooler intact and not clean it per the 67,500 service? The CCV filter change sounds easy enough.

 

[xcc_rider]

The pcm looks at the current used to move the valve, valve position and runs a self calibration at each key on cycle. I doubt a module could be made to simulate those functions.
Everything else stays plugged in and functional.
By unplugging it the pcm ignores the inputs but not the rest of the egr system functions so you'll see the cooler solenoid actuate at key on and the TCV will attempt to close during cold start up which is what causes the reported 2 or 3 surges at start up. The good news is the pcm will learn that closing the TCV doesn't work as expected and will stop using it also. In my case this took about 6 months of occasional driving and no more surging.

If you're in a smog check area then you'll have to plug it back in about 2-4 weeks prior to testing for the cel to reset and I/M to return to the ready state. In my case since I'm in a smog test area I cleaned my system and unplugged it immediatly afterwards. I plugged it back in 16 months later for testing, unplugged it when I got home and its been unplugged again for 17 months now. I'll do it all over again in 4 months. The only bummer is I'm due now for an oil change and plugging it back in will turn it black again. I'll do another oil change after the test just to get me into an oil change interval that will match our testing interval. That and I refuse to run black, soot filled oil for another year.

Read more here: http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/6-7l-tech-articles/92997-unplugging-your-egr-recap.html

 

[TKeeler]

So what exactly will be the symptoms of not doing the 67,500 service @ 67,500 miles? I am about 2,000 past that now.

 

[xcc_rider]

For the ccv filter you could see higher crankcase pressures.
The egr cooler could be fouled enough to reduce the cooling of the exhaust gases and cause running problems plus is could eventually plug, throw codes and derate.
Egr valve is the biggie. The egr valve has a history of sticking open due to the soot accumulation. Once it sticks open you can foul the turbo, overload the dpf with soot and due to the excess soot have an uncontrolled regen and overheat/melt/crack the dpf substrate. (Ask me how I know!)
Not too bad if you've got a couple grand for the repairs...