2015 down on power....

[Newsa]

Even at Walmart you can occasionally find a filter with a little rust (tiny rust spots). Sometimes they warehouse those in humid areas non-airconditioned.

But these are a little farther gone than that. Geno's has them on sale for $12.50 ish.

So, I ordered 3 and threw the rust buckets away. Thanks for your input. I'm sure I will be needing more of your suggestions in the future.

I don't rack up the miles like you. And I'm relatively new to Cummins.

 

[rashwor]

A couple of years ago, I was at my local dealer and bought a oil filter for my '05. I opened the box, pulled the filter out and looked down into it. There was a rust spot down in the bottom. Showed it to the parts jockey and made him go get me another, which I also checked. It can happen even on new at the dealer... this dealer sells a lot of these filters. My point is that I check everyone I buy because if I can see rust anywhere on the filter, I am not going to knowingly put it on my truck. To me, that is asking for trouble and is really easy to prevent.

 

[Newsa]

Yeah. I like the way and ansoil shrink wraps theres.

I always open them to look. But these were free, so I didn't bother.

I'm sure these quickie oil change places use rusty ones all the time. Even the dealer, I bet.

 

[HorseMan-AR]

Boy, I wouldn't dare put those filters on my truck, but that's me! I'd spend the extra cash and get a new one - I get my Mopar filters from Wal-Mart and have not noticed any rust. I'll sure watch for it now, however.

No offense, but I agree with gsbrockman - the only place for those filters is in the trash! I wouldn't want to test my Amsoil filtration system to the limits...

 

[Cummins12V98]

Genos have the FleetGuard LF16035 StrataPore on sale now at $12.56 each. Great price!

Does anyone know for a FACT the WalMart Mopar filters are StrataPore?

 

[Newsa]

Yeah. I bought 3 (for that price) earlier this week. If you buy 3, the shipping is cheap.

if you buy 4, the shipping goes above $10.00

 

[EDankievitch]

Rusty oil filters... When will we learn. Be cheap pay the price......

 

[AH64ID]

Did a little more oil filter research this week. It turns out that Fleetguard doesn't rate the ISB filters for the full flow of the oil pump, so at higher rpms they are not as efficient. The ISB oil pump is rated for 20.5 GPM at 4200 rpms. The LF16035 is only rated for 25µ absolute at 8.72 GPM. The Donaldson Blue DBL7349 is rated at 20 GPM and 15µ absolute and can be had for under $12 plus shipping from www.filterspro.com. I still don't understand why people run the LF16035 over the Donaldson.

Does anyone know for a FACT the WalMart Mopar filters are StrataPore?

I understand, not FACT, that the Walmart filters are the standard Fleetguard filter or a 3rd party equal (IIRC Mopar has 3 companies build filters for their labeling). LF3972 30µ @ 95% Cellulose at 8.72 GPM

 

[Newsa]

Did a little more oil filter research this week. It turns out that Fleetguard doesn't rate the ISB filters for the full flow of the oil pump, so at higher rpms they are not as efficient. The ISB oil pump is rated for 20.5 GPM at 4200 rpms. The LF16035 is only rated for 25µ absolute at 8.72 GPM. The Donaldson Blue DBL7349 is rated at 20 GPM and 15µ absolute and can be had for under $12 plus shipping from www.filterspro.com. I still don't understand why people run the LF16035 over the Donaldson.

That's why I subscribe to this forum. Always good info.

Anyone know at what pressure the bypass valve opens? It may be that at full pump rate the bypass valve is wide open allowing completely unfiltered oil
to circulate freely anyway.

 

[AH64ID]

Anyone know at what pressure the bypass valve opens? It may be that at full pump rate the bypass valve is wide open allowing completely unfiltered oil
to circulate freely anyway.

The filter bypass valve opens up at a pressure differential (psid) of 50, but that is just internal to the filter. The total pressure relief valve opens up at 75 psi but the bypasses oil goes back to the pump and the non-bypassed oil still goes thru the filter.

I seriously doubt the pump will create a 50psid on the filter just from flow.. now on a dirty plugged filter all bets are off.

 

[Newsa]

After my 4 free changes, I installed one of these. Would have done it earlier, but it increases the oil capacity by more than 1 quart and didn'twant to confuse the service guys as to whether they have to charge me for the xtra quart or 2.

It says it filters most of the particles down to 2 microns. Filters today are much better than previous years, but I like the idea of filtering out mire of the soot and other particles.


It filters all 12 quarts at least once every hour. Probably twice at highway speeds.

 

[AH64ID]

The EaBP are a great bypass filter and I run the EaBP-110 on mine.

 

[Newsa]

The EaBP are a great bypass filter and I run the EaBP-110 on mine.

Agreed, I ran a BP 90 on an old gasser I had for 100,000 miles. I think that was before they were ea rated. I looked at the ea BP 110, but it is significantly more expensive.

The ea BP100 is only like $2 more than the eaBP90. Whereas the price jump to the 110 was big enough, I determined I would just change the ea BP 100 more often. But the EA 110 will definately serve you longer between changes.

 

[Newsa]

Did a little more oil filter research this week. It turns out that Fleetguard doesn't rate the ISB filters for the full flow of the oil pump, so at higher rpms they are not as efficient. The ISB oil pump is rated for 20.5 GPM at 4200 rpms. The LF16035 is only rated for 25µ absolute at 8.72 GPM. The Donaldson Blue DBL7349 is rated at 20 GPM and 15µ absolute and can be had for under $12 plus shipping from www.filterspro.com. I still don't understand why people run the LF16035 over the Donaldson.

For future reference, is it the Donaldson DBL 7349 that fits the Cummins 6.7?

Seems their website at filters pro doesn't do a lookup.

 

[Newsa]

One question...... Why does Cummins recommend Fleetguard? Is it because Fleetguard is a division of Cummins?

Another question...... is there a difference between how a filter performs in the lab during testing.... and how it performs in real world application?

Is the Fleetguard filter media less likely to change shape under pressure?

See this video:
https://youtu.be/L9WaAFUQz5Y

 

[AH64ID]

Yes the 7349 fits the 6.7. There is one on a 2010 in my pasture right now.

Yes fleetguard is part of Cummins so that is who they use. The stratapore is a good filter but the Donalson is better.

I would guess the Fleetguard would change shape more with a lower flow rating.

While there is a Venturi filter for 5.9's there is not one for our application.

 

[kthaxton]

Just an update, my truck is still behaving the same intermittently, so it was not the air filter. I am also more convinced that the problem is indeed the result of the turbo not building sufficient boost at low rpm. It's almost as if it "sticks" (so to speak) around 7 psi and wont increase until it downshifts.

I don't really notice anything otherwise, and really, this symptom is more like any other, lesser (gas) truck would normally perform (little torque in the top gear) but it is significant because there was a change, it did not do this for the first 8-months of ownership.

 

[AH64ID]

Just an update, my truck is still behaving the same intermittently, so it was not the air filter. I am also more convinced that the problem is indeed the result of the turbo not building sufficient boost at low rpm. It's almost as if it "sticks" (so to speak) around 7 psi and wont increase until it downshifts.

I don't really notice anything otherwise, and really, this symptom is more like any other, lesser (gas) truck would normally perform (little torque in the top gear) but it is significant because there was a change, it did not do this for the first 8-months of ownership.

Could it be ambient air temp related?

It would be interesting to watch a couple of parameters on a scan tool when this occurs.

Even if the vanes were sticking the boost should increase with fuel, which should be increasing if you are slowing.

 

[kthaxton]

Could it be ambient air temp related?

Not sure, but there appears to be no noticeable differences or changes in air temp that have caused it. Like I mentioned before, I mostly notice this on my daily drive so it is pretty consistent. It has been both hotter, and much cooler on this stretch with not issues previously.

Now that I am paying more attention to it, I do notice it in other driving scenarios however.

It would be interesting to watch a couple of parameters on a scan tool when this occurs.

Like what? Anything that a Torque Pro app could monitor? With my old truck using Torque Pro, I could monitor a few parameters (O2 sensors and a few others) but I haven't tinkered with it on the 2015.

 

[AH64ID]

I would look at engine load primarily. It should be increasing as your slowing. If the load isn't then it's a programming issue.

Can it monitor turbo vane position, desired and actual?