1939 Cummins rescued!

[JR]

Check this out! The stories this engine could tell!

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/1602-unearthing-a-legend-1939-cummins-field-find/

The article says Cummins is still undecided about what(if anything) they will do with it. I bet some of the big shots at TDR have a connection or two, lets make our voices heard!

 

[Tuesdak]

Interesting. I don't see the humor in the writer's "melt it down" option comment.

That's likely about when the fight started. :-{}

It's a museum piece at worst and a complete restore at best.

No, the engine's not going to just turn over and start as the writer implied. The 40 year old varnish, what used to be 1975 diesel, will have to be cleaned out with related injection system rehab. Maybe rusted cylinders broken free. The omitted reason it was parked over 40 years would be interesting - no start, broken trans, high license plate fees, lost keys, whatever.

 

[mwilson]

Hey Bill Stockard!!!! Check my statement below.....

They never put a Cummins engine in an IH R190....so even though its a transplant there must have been some interesting rework...IH "R" series were powered by 6 cyl gasoline engines such as the RD 450 and RD 501, "V" series were powered by the gasser V-8 engines such as the V-549. They did have an "M" series that had inline Cummins power as I recall...So maybe it's an "M" series frame with an "R" series cab. If the fenders were in the pictures I could tell more...Whew, farmers!! Nothing quite like 'em.....


Just for reference...


"R" Series

"V" Series

"M" Series

Same cab for all models, this is where you spent your day...

 

[NIsaacs]

Yup, TDR is not the only conversion specialists, Farmers were first lol Note the grill/radiator support, that's a KB Model, wonder what butterfly hood he used or if at all

Nick

 

[mwilson]

Yes, I missed the KB grill...Holy Mutant....!!!!!!!

 

[mwilson]

Maybe that is a "K" series frame...

That last cross member sure do look funky as I think about it....

 

[NIsaacs]

Yes, I missed the KB grill...Holy Mutant....!!!!!!!

:-laf:-laf It might have started life as a winch truck for the oil fields, did you note the power tower on the auxiliary transmission?



Nick

 

[JR]

The way I see it, there are really only two options Cummins should be contemplating here. One, being its the earliest H series Cummins has documented and will likely never find another one as intact, leave it as is and put it on display. Two, trace the history back to the original purchaser of the engine, determine what it was initially implemented in, and build a one off of said truck/equipment, to be put on display.

Anything else would be a disservice to Cummins history IMO.

 

[mwilson]

The way I see it, there are really only two options Cummins should be contemplating here. One, being its the earliest H series Cummins has documented and will likely never find another one as intact, leave it as is and put it on display. Two, trace the history back to the original purchaser of the engine, determine what it was initially implemented in, and build a recreation of said truck/equipment, to be put on display.

Anything else would be a disservice to Cummins history IMO.

Agreed!!

Mike.

 

[mwilson]

Gotta' get back to work BUT I did find this....

In the lower part of the text it is mentioned that a small number of KBD-12 IH trucks were built with Cummins Power in lieu of the 6 Cyl Continental Gasser that was the standard powerplant for the KBR-12. I'd like to find one of those...

http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/International_KBR-12_Truck

 

[JR]

OK Mike, ya got me to oogling and a Googling :-laf


Check out this early H series, although this ones obviously been cared for much better throughout the decades.

http://www.cumminsenginesnews.com/2012/03/legacy-of-leadership/

And a few more!

http://cumminspacific.com/about/news/!content/2015/08/12/six-cummins-firsts-1920s-and-1930s

 

[NIsaacs]

According to this link, Cummins or Buda engines were available in the R-190-R-200 series trucks.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrSbnuAwr1WiSMAsxFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyODlzbmFjBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDQjE1OTFfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1455305472/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fInternational_Harvester_R-Series/RK=0/RS=b8H060C5FELSC0hi1Rqd.sMlzRQ-

Nick

 

[mwilson]

According to this link, Cummins or Buda engines were available in the R-190-R-200 series trucks.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrSbnuAwr1WiSMAsxFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyODlzbmFjBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDQjE1OTFfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1455305472/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fInternational_Harvester_R-Series/RK=0/RS=b8H060C5FELSC0hi1Rqd.sMlzRQ-

Nick

Nick, that's good stuff right there. I guess I need to research that today. We never had any of those, didn't even know they existed. We always sold the gasoline-powered version, makes me wonder if the diesel-powered version was trouble? My step father always ordered on M series if the customer wanted diesel power, and then in later years the fleetstar and paystar series came alone.

 

[NIsaacs]

We always sold the gasoline-powered version, makes me wonder if the diesel-powered version was trouble?

I think it was more a case of the unknown, the diesel was considered complicated. It was also considered large, heavy and underpowered. When I was growing up, Diesel powered anything was rare. If you didn't own a dozer you didn't own a diesel.

Nick

 

[Tumbleweed]

Hope this isn't too far off topic, i drove a 1961 RDF 210 IHC powered by a 210 HP Rolls-Royce engine. I drove this truck for 17 years for an electrical co. in Saskatchewan.

ED


04 3500 DRW 2WD 48RE 31.5 Citation Fifth Wheel Full timming 18 yrs

 

[JR]

^^^ Now that would be neat!!!^^^^

 

[jhenderson]

It really needs to be put into running order and put on a live test stand.

 

[Crunch]

That engine is like Cummins Mecca. Maybe we all should start a Hajj and make our obligatory trip to Columbus, IN and walk seven times, counter-clockwise around the engine and truck. Hopefully, very few people would be crushed in the process. As a side note, I kind of doubt a 1939, 125 HP diesel of any kind would have been "humming along", even when it was new. I bet that after a 300 mile run the driver would have been ready for a couple of cold beers and a big, greasy plate of hash browns to shake off the vibrations and double-clutching footwork.

 

[Tuesdak]

Here is a more complete story with a inaccuracy of 8 decades abandoned - that's the age of the engine at ~77 years. It was parked in 1971 never able to get started since.

Cummins engine built in 1939 getting new life

http://wishtv.com/2016/03/30/cummins-engine-built-in-1939-getting-new-life/

Pictures:
http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Cummins-built-engine-is-getting-new-life-7216971.php