What's in your Cheerios?

[Wayne M.]

I feel that, in my area anyway, medical prevention sucks. A Dr. will sit idly and let you slip right into a disease like diabetes.
Ive gotten into looking at folks blood tests. It's real simple. First off, I am obese. I have been since I was a teenager. It's my main demon, and I have high sugar, so I know what it's like to be there. It's under control- I have an interstate CDL.
Blood test results are printed, and what ever number result is in a column, the range will be next to it. If you're past that normal range, the result will be in a different column, usually in bold print. They usually look down that row, and if nothing is there, you're golden. If the number is there, then you'll get a pill from whatever pharma bought them lunch yesterday.
Usually the threshold for fasting glucose is 100-105. If you're past that, you're getting a speech. If you're 99, you're a free person.
That's like saying 80 is the speed limit, but doing 79 isn't as fast. Technically correct, but you're going just as fast.
I see sugars all the time in the hi 90's and I ask them if they've been warned and the answer is always no!
Folks, if you've had a fasting test done, go dig it out and look. My wife is great. She can eat a snickers bar, I'll test her 20 minutes later, and she's 87. She's making insulin AND USING IT (that's what makes you a type 2 usually)
Food is a legal vice, and many of us are addicted. I'm not looking for sugar bans or taxes or anything like that, but I would like to keep it real. This GMO and messing with Gods recipie gets to me. Perhaps a bit of divine intervention might be nice.

 

[Wayne M.]

Do you equate that with GMO foods or a high caloric intake without the requisite exercise?

I think that's two different things. Ever see what a marathon runner eats before a 25 mile run? More pasta than you'd eat in a week. That's Carbs being used properly.
if not, then yes we know it goes right to the waist. Not good.

 

[jgillott]

Do you equate that with GMO foods or a high caloric intake without the requisite exercise?

I believe that it comes primarily from the sedentary indoor lifestyle mentioned earlier in this thread combined with the high caloric diets that are common among most people in our country in 2016. The first thing that our fitness staff does when someone comes to us for our diabetes prevention program or our guided weight loss program (same basic program only they don't meet the specific qualifications for the diabetes prevention program) is to chart their current food intake and activity level. In most cases, my guess is that their intake is on average at least 2 to 3 times their caloric output. Usually the person has no idea how much they actually consume in a day. Probably the number one shock that most people get is finding out how many calories they drink, not eat in a day. Let me give you this example. One of the most popular drinks we hear about is Starbucks Frappuccino. People are shocked that the large Green Tea Frappuccino with Nonfat milk (sounds healthy right) that they buy on their way to work, is 540 calories. That's over 1/4 of the average sedentary persons caloric requirements in one drink. Add that to the probably 50-100 cal for creamer they add to their coffee during the day and the couple hundred from the 2 cans of soda they have in the afternoon, and you've spent have of the days calories without eating anything. It just spirals from there when you add the fast food meals.

I don't have any concrete evidence as to if GMO's or processed foods add to this or not. I can tell you however that for the people we service, a very high percentage of their daily intake comes from prepackaged food, ready to eat meals, or fast food. In my opinion, it can't be purely coincidental.

 

[jgillott]

I feel that, in my area anyway, medical prevention sucks. A Dr. will sit idly and let you slip right into a disease like diabetes.
Ive gotten into looking at folks blood tests. It's real simple. First off, I am obese. I have been since I was a teenager. It's my main demon, and I have high sugar, so I know what it's like to be there. It's under control- I have an interstate CDL.
Blood test results are printed, and what ever number result is in a column, the range will be next to it. If you're past that normal range, the result will be in a different column, usually in bold print. They usually look down that row, and if nothing is there, you're golden. If the number is there, then you'll get a pill from whatever pharma bought them lunch yesterday.
Usually the threshold for fasting glucose is 100-105. If you're past that, you're getting a speech. If you're 99, you're a free person.
That's like saying 80 is the speed limit, but doing 79 isn't as fast. Technically correct, but you're going just as fast.
I see sugars all the time in the hi 90's and I ask them if they've been warned and the answer is always no!
Folks, if you've had a fasting test done, go dig it out and look. My wife is great. She can eat a snickers bar, I'll test her 20 minutes later, and she's 87. She's making insulin AND USING IT (that's what makes you a type 2 usually)
Food is a legal vice, and many of us are addicted. I'm not looking for sugar bans or taxes or anything like that, but I would like to keep it real. This GMO and messing with Gods recipie gets to me. Perhaps a bit of divine intervention might be nice.

Wayne, I agree with you completely. Probably most people avoid the Dr to begin with until they are sick, making preventative care unavailable. Then when they do have an issue, they want the pill or quick fix to make the problem go away. Unfortunately, I'm sure that you are in the minority in taking a proactive approach to your health.

 

[TJJEEPER]

Not an issue for me. We've been eating genetically modified food for a long time.
I've got bigger fish to fry.
Pardon me while I go fix a bowl of Cheerios.

BREAKING NEWS!.
My box of Cheerios is devoid of GMO's according to the label.
Sourced from Costco. Maybe it's a California thing.

Nope, mine, bought in a California Costco say "Not made with genetically modified ingredients" with an * saying there may be some cross contamination.

 

[Wayne M.]

Wayne, I agree with you completely. Probably most people avoid the Dr to begin with until they are sick, making preventative care unavailable. Then when they do have an issue, they want the pill or quick fix to make the problem go away. Unfortunately, I'm sure that you are in the minority in taking a proactive approach to your health.

Thanks for the good words. Losing weight is my life long fight. After that long post, wife's cousin came bearing BAGS of breakfast goodies. ARRRGH! They're being kind and killing me at the same time!

 

[fest3er]

Thanks for the good words. Losing weight is my life long fight. After that long post, wife's cousin came bearing BAGS of breakfast goodies. ARRRGH! They're being kind and killing me at the same time!

Docs put Dad on a low sodium diet a while back, due to his slightly reduced kidney function and aortic valve that only opens .63 cm2​. Basically, I barely made any change to supper. Once a week, we eat at a local sandwich shop (his turn to cook) where they prepare all food and add no salt. Otherwise, we almost never eat out. A couple times we have (like at Applebees) and were shocked at how salty the food was: seemed like a teaspoon of salt was added to the entree.

The best way to lose weight is to eat/drink/consume less, even when you're sedentary. I don't mean a starvation diet. I've been giving Dad four serving spoons of slumgullion at supper and giving myself three. Still sitting in front of my computer most of the time. And my belt is consistently one notch tighter now after a couple months.

Eat less, but not drastically less. Avoid high fructose corn syryp and most sweets. Heat a quart of water, put it in a large plastic temp mug, and add a teabag (Earl Gray, Constant Comment); that'll give you something good to sip all day. Avoid commercially prepared foods; you might be surprised how much sugar and salt they add. Rinse canned veggies once to remove excess salt. Use more frozen veggies. And tell yourself to ignore your grumbling stomach; it'll stop after a while. And keep eating just a little less. Make it a habit. Train your neural pathways to suppress that urge for a snack, for a Coke, for a candy bar. Same as learning to throw a ball or swing a bat, or play the piano or violin: keep doing it and it will become first and second nature.

 

[jhenderson]

Slumgullion. I hadn't ever heard of it. I looked it up. I'm going to assume( I know I shouldn't do that) that you're not referring to the red mud found in mine sluices. After reading I discovered it's what we around here call American Chop Suey. By the description I believe the only difference is ours is a little thicker. Good stuff.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I like reading the ideas on this Thread.

Diabetes is running ramped for sure in this country. I feel that there are 2 reasons. 1 people have no idea of what to eat and could care less about blood sugar. 2 the average person gets home from work grabs some sort of drink (usually not a good one) parks their fat xxx on the sofa and makes sure that the remote works, until dinner which is usually some kind of pre packaged thing full of the wrong stuff.

Wayne I too applaud your effort, most people equate being heavy with someone eating the wrong stuff not always true. we have a family member with just such a problem, I'm not a Doctor so I wont even try to figure out what his problem is. He comes to our home to workout daily and being as heavy as he is running is out of the question but does a lot of walking and hiking when weather permits. Penny's the food prep and diet person in our Tribe she puts it in front of me and I can either eat it, do without or fix something myself. I most generally use the first choice. She put him on her diet (which is the same as the hospital gave him) he's doing better.

YET HE'S STILL A LARGE MAN.

I don't totally believe all the Crap that the Doctors say about what we should be eating. We go to the hospital at least 2 times a year for blood work and check up. One time the doc asked about my Blood Sugar? I didn't have a clue what it was I'm not heavy by any stretch of the imagination. He gave me a One Touch Blood Sugar tester it was free so what the hell? he asked me to take my BS when I woke up in the AM before eating ANYTHING its usually 75 to 80.

Along with his instructions he asked that I keep track of what I eat. Penny told him at that time that she knows where he's going with this AND IT WONT WORK!!

I did as he asked and went back gave him the list and the BS machine that records every sample that I take with it. The 75 to 80 he was good with and he'd got back some other AIC test which was right at 5.? (I cant remember to be exact) He then looked at what I had wrote down what I had ate for how ever long it was. Penny told him when he started to read the list I told you IT WONT WORK. He was blown away at all the WRONG things that I consume. He said that I ate way to much dairy, to much red meat, he went on and on and on about how my diet was so wrong. I asked him if its so bad then why are all the readings so good or normal and is this not a good thing ( I stood up and flexed) not bad for 63 Doc lets see your flex pose :-laf

Penny then told him that all the Dairy is Raw Dairy, his half gallon a day of milk is as it comes from the cow cream and all, his ice cream is the same way, the red meat is grass fed we raise it along with the pork that is on the list. The half dozen eggs for breakfast are also from our coop. She went on and on back at him about where it was produced.

He didn't know what to say, when was the last time that's happened at your doctors office.

When he said that he didn't understand we told him that its because we actually work around the house rather than sit on my duff and watch the world slide by. Penny had been keeping track of my work done around the house for the same time period. He asked what time do you get up to do all this? She told him 3 am!!! and he goes to bed shortly after he has dinner at 5:30 pm. He still said that I should use low or non fat milk and should use store bought milk and Penny's breads and baked good are off the list of things to eat.

I told him that before I ask for a new Doctor HORSE XXXX I'm eating what I always have until one of two things happens, 1 something in my blood work says that I need to make a change OR they nail the lid shut for the long sleep. I changed Doctors to a little Rag Head guy named Chauchan One hell of a nice guy and he agrees with my Diagnosis on both #1 and # 2

Its always been my thinking that the Pills the Doc's give you are NOT going to cure what ails you, its going to make you able to live longer with what ails you so they and the pill makers can drain your wallet

Personally I feel that 2 things are key 1 we need to work and by work I'm talking about Physical Work not what we do to collect a paycheck, even when I was a tanker-yanker I did as many pushups while loading the truck same when I was unloading at the station, did chin ups sometimes when I could find a pipe to hang from, leg lifts off the ladder on the trailer, deep knee bends & then I always went to the gym or worked out at home on the heavy bag & speed bag with jump rope and the normal chores around the house.

2 Quit eating all the Processed Crap in the markets or at least as much as you can. We figure it like this if you read the label and there are words that you cant pronounce & don't really know what it is IT DON'T GO IN THE BASKET!!

I do think that I have been blessed with a metabolism that allows me to eat what I want.

BIG

 

[Missouri Mule]

My Mom is always getting on my case if eat fruit or eat a bean and sugar snap peas (when they are in season) and don't wash them.
I just tell her my body loves germs, it loves killing them (germs).

 

[fest3er]

Slumgullion. I hadn't ever heard of it. I looked it up. I'm going to assume( I know I shouldn't do that) that you're not referring to the red mud found in mine sluices. After reading I discovered it's what we around here call American Chop Suey. By the description I believe the only difference is ours is a little thicker. Good stuff.

I believe it's an old Navy term that means, "I don't know what this is, but it sure tastes good!"

MM, it probably doesn't do much good to rinse shiny-skinned fruit (apples, pears, etc.) Distributors usually spray them with a wax that kind-of seals onto the skin the chemicals you're supposed to rinse off.

Hee's a third item for Gail's list of do's and don'ts. Stop falling for the scare tactics promulgated by big business and media; that is, don't worry so much about germs. I think a lot of people today are susceptible to a lot of ailments because they bathe every day, refuse to wash with anything but anti-bacterial soap, and wear freshly laundered clothes every day; in essence, they minimize exposure to evolving germs and get hit hard once the germs evolve far enough. Mom (who was a nurse) liked to say, "Expose me early, expose me often." Get dirty. Stay dirty. Eat a peck o' dirt. For sure, there are places where people should minimize exposure (such as hospitals, clinic and doctors offices), and situations where people should to wash their hands (such as after visiting medical officdes, after using public restrooms, and after handling manure). But by and large, people should stop worrying so much. Our home-grown domestic terrorists have turned us into a nation of hypochondriacs. And too many of them pass it on to their children who become too terrified to go outside to explore. To look at it slightly differently, if you aren't a little sick every day (your body identifying and destroying new bugs), something's wrong.

 

[fox]

Other countries and the state of Hawaii consider the lower 48 here as " The great Guinea Pig society."

Why do the planners think we need to modify food ? To grow more, make more $$$
Are they making safe food? I doubt it since they get to test it and write the reports.
40+ years ago when I was leaving High School, my pals said to stay " we are using new foods with growth hormones and will raise 2 x the livestock."
They are all out of business now.
Do you know what has quadrupled in 40 years? The gay world. The hormones stay in the meat and screw up a select few people.
Ask your doctor. I have witnessed farm families become devastated by their children being soft/gay.

And of course I grew up in the farm belt so I fear what they don't care about.
I'm sure this will be attacked by those who have invested heavy into large ground and big equipment.
Facts are out there if you want them.
If not it doesn't matter to you, just go make the big crop and destroy the small farms and the people who trust gov to keep food safe.
( while the politicians are bought and sold everyday)

 

[BIGNASTY]

Fest

I'm sorry Pard, after a day of working outside doing anything I NEED TO SHOWER maybe TWICE!!!

I've for some reason grown fond of sleeping in bed with the wife, she read this and said THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!! if you don't shower. She's not even considering the idea of keeping my boots on anything past the mudroom door.

I do however agree that we should be exposed to lots of things in order to build our immune system tolerance, I feel that's all it is, is a Tolerance we don't really ever become immune. Of those things, Natural substances are of little concern, I think that Mother Nature or God above had taken care of that, its the crap that Dow, Monsanto, DuPont and other '' Better Life through Chemistry" companies produce are the things that really need to be watched. Working in the petroleum industry for as long as I did I seen many a guys have some really terrible things happen to them just by not taking precautions with the way the products were handled. Brain & Lung tumors were the most prevalent and just about everyone of the guys that had these problems were the ones that would say " HELL YOU GOT TO GO SOMEWAY" and thought that gloves & respirators were for Sissy's.

The Gay thoughts happening through our food??? I think that I'm going to take the 5th on that one in either direction. I do think that the old adage of looking at a young girl of today and saying " They didn't make-um like that when I grew up" is true. Growth hormones are in lots of our food production, there are people starting to really take notice of this practice and so far the only one that I know of that's stopped using Growth Hormones is the Poultry industry. I say that biting my lip you cant tell me that they aren't using SOMETHING that can produce a bird of the same type in a little more than half the time it takes me????? they just don't call it Growth Hormones and our USDA, FDA lets them get away with it with some loop-hole.

Bottom line is this is one reason that I'm really happy with growing our own or as much as we possibly can.

I'm really going to have to look into that "Gay" idea I sure as hell don't want to see any of my Pards at the saloon in a too too & ruby red slippers carrying a Rainbow Flag.

BIG

 

[Wayne M.]

Well not to shift into a whole different set of gears, I will contribute to the INCLUSIONMENT movement were having forced upon us. Most here know where I'm from (BIG- you're gonna find out) and it's one of the hubs. I really think I'm gonna say NO! To the food causing the trend theory.
I'm not getting involved in the debate, but the fact is it's always been in the world, it's how it's socially perceived and now accepted and encouraged. The OPPOSITE is happening to our God given freedoms such as 2A.
Back on topic, I appreciate all the good thoughts being batted around this thread.
I spent the day with my niece from rural central PA, and we mapped out some good places to resettle and where a lot of small co-op and family farms are thriving. She really patronises them and sounds like "the way" to buy your groceries.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Just one side of the idea about our food supply. We have been connected (NOT MY CHOICE) to the outside grid for our cable internet and TV. We have access Roku TV it is a group of different programing companies, I'm not sure about anything except how to work the DAMN thing to see some of the Documentaries & TV Programing that is of interest to me.

One is Hulu it has many good Documentaries on our food, yes sometimes they get a little one sided as any of them do you have to pick and wade through all the Propaganda BS & make your own decision on what to believe.


http://us.wow.com/image?q=food+inc&s_chn=15&s_pt=source2&v_t=aolsem

I don't have a clue how you could view the above link, its one of MANY such type shows. Its pretty enlightening watching and makes ME wonder who's actually watching out for us??

 

[fest3er]

... I'm sorry Pard, after a day of working outside doing anything I NEED TO SHOWER maybe TWICE!!!

I've for some reason grown fond of sleeping in bed with the wife, she read this and said THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!! if you don't shower. She's not even considering the idea of keeping my boots on anything past the mudroom door. ...

As you know, I proffered a general rule of thumb, not an inviolable edict. I shower after a day of clearing trees and brush. I showered each day when combining corn and bean or baling hay. But when I've done naught but sit in front of my computer working on the next version of or update to the Smoothwall Express firewall, I haven't gotten dirty enough to warrant cleaning. After a day of getting into what you get into, I expect you wouldn't want to sleep with yourself without suitable laundering.

 

[Wayne M.]

I shower whenever I change a 30/30 on the rear axle of a loaded garbage truck with a leaky tailgate seal that just came from the school route (lots of hot radioactive milk).

 

[jhenderson]

I was at a seminar Friday and got talking to another logger I haven't seen in years. He mentioned his wife was involved in community supported agriculture ( CSA), wich I hadn't previously heard of. Each spring you purchase a share of their garden, vegetables , herbs, and eggs. They plant accordingly. She tends the garden using only natural methods, and once a week you go to the farm and pick up your basket. They sell in full, 1/2,and 1/4 shares, depending on your needs. It's a little expensive ($500) for a full share but the well heeled in his area flock to his place. He said a full share is so much food that many go in on it with another family. They've increased their tilled acreage every year for the past 4 years. If he wasn't an hour away I'd quit on our little plot and buy a 1/4 share.

 

[Killgore]

This has been a really good thread to follow. Sometime back, I suppose in the heat of the day when I was about to fall out, I decided that what was wrong with our society must be air-conditioning, fast
foods and T-ball. My theory was confirmed some years ago when I attended the fifty-year reunion of my high-school class and somebody produced a picture taken of our third-grade class. Patty, who was
the class fatty, was by today's standards just right, and the rest of us looked anemic. I say anemic, but the truth was that we were tough as nails and ripped and ran all day long. There may have been a
bully or two, but every day they had the opportunity to prove just how tough they really were. We didn't know what air-conditioning was, raced out of the house on Saturday morning hoping to avoid being assigned additional chores and didn't come home until it was time to eat, and nobody got a trophy for anything.

Today...

- Ed

 

[Tractorat]

hmmmm...................

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-06-association-bad-cholesterol-elderly-deaths.html