steering box time

[ringneck]

have 2005 ram 4by4 one ton.box leak is getting bad.now red head or what?.will the orther boxes fit up with out alot of work.truck is stock,tow 12000lb 5w.thanks,money counts.

 

[cerberusiam]

Dodge upgraded box will work fine. Both RedHead and Boregeson have boxes that will fit and work. Of the 3 I would choose the Dodge box again.

 

[GrantP]

Dodge upgraded box will work fine. Both RedHead and Boregeson have boxes that will fit and work. Of the 3 I would choose the Dodge box again.

^^^ What he said...

 

[ringneck]

Will up grade fit with out changes.

 

[cerberusiam]

You might have to upgrade the linkage to the t-type if you still have the older y-type. The cross over pitman arm used to be available but sure it is anymore.

 

[GrantP]

I think you'll be alright whether you're running the T or Y type. The box comes with a new pitman arm and tie rod that should mate to your existing steering. Do some searches on this site to verify, I'm sure that topic has been covered many times.

Here's a pic.

http://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/...-box-upgrade-kit-03-08-ram-hd-68170214aa.aspx

 

[GrantP]

Well I was curious because sooner or later I'll be doing this upgrade too. The info is in this thread...

https://www.turbodieselregister.com...de/page6?highlight=dodge+upgrade+steering+box

Basically it works with either steering setup. It looks like if you have the T type steering you don't need the rod end that comes with the kit, you'll need it with the original Y style.

 

[cerberusiam]

That is a 4 year old thread, the status quo isn't a lot of times. Mine did NOT come with the tie rod end. I was told that was no longer available.

 

[GrantP]

Cerb - When did you get yours?

 

[cerberusiam]

Year ago August. Just have to check and see if the other tie rod end is in the kit.

 

[jomobco]

My Dodge box came with two ends - so it could accommodate upgraded or non-upgraded steering on my 7.5. The box is a monster. Much better than stock.

 

[Regcabguy]

Year ago August. Just have to check and see if the other tie rod end is in the kit.

Cerberusiam,did you upgrade your pump at the same time?

 

[cerberusiam]

No, did the box way after the linkage.

 

[ringneck]

money

No, did the box way after the linkage.

that up new dodge box is 800 and some cents,in sacramento ca.is it that good,or over price.

 

[ringneck]

money

No, did the box way after the linkage.

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that up new dodge box is 800 and some cents,in sacramento ca.is it that good,or over price.

 

[Regcabguy]

that up new dodge box is 800 and some cents,in sacramento ca.is it that good,or over price.

http://www.straptperformance.com/Mopar-Steering-Box-Upgrade-Kit-p/mop68170214aa.htm

 

[brods]

My Dodge box came with two ends - so it could accommodate upgraded or non-upgraded steering on my 7.5. The box is a monster. Much better than stock.

Did the end for the Y type have a part number? I don't think there was anything on the paperwork that came with mine a few years ago. It sucks if we are forced to switch back to the T type linkage just because the pitman arm rod end is no longer available. I've sworn to never give Dodge anymore money for steering parts. Fool me once (T linkage), fool me twice (uber steering box), they are not going to get me again. At least Moog now has an alternative to the POS Dodge T linkage if we are forced to use it: DS800981A is the complete T linkage and if you shop around it can be found for as low as $250 (rockauto), though Moog quality is not what it used to be either....

For the box MoparAmerica has it for $578.31 plus $75 core: http://www.moparamerica.com/oe-mopar/68170214aa

 

[jomobco]

Did the end for the Y type have a part number? I don't think there was anything on the paperwork that came with mine a few years ago. It sucks if we are forced to switch back to the T type linkage just because the pitman arm rod end is no longer available. I've sworn to never give Dodge anymore money for steering parts. Fool me once (T linkage), fool me twice (uber steering box), they are not going to get me again. At least Moog now has an alternative to the POS Dodge T linkage if we are forced to use it: DS800981A is the complete T linkage and if you shop around it can be found for as low as $250 (rockauto), though Moog quality is not what it used to be either....

For the box MoparAmerica has it for $578.31 plus $75 core: http://www.moparamerica.com/oe-mopar/68170214aa

Synergy also has a Dodge steering upgrade option:
http://www.synergymfg.com/Synergy-94-13-Dodge-Truck-Heavy-Duty-Steering-Kit-p-30964.html

I misspoke as far as the two ends. IIRC the box is set-up for the updated linkage and if you have the old linkage there is a rod end for that so either way you're covered. Not two ends in the box.

I'm running the updated steering and no problems so far. That's a good price for that box.

 

[Freebore]

The attached instructions is what came with my big box.


View attachment K6855778 LargeSteeringGearInstallInstructions.PDF

 

[brods]

Thanks Freebore. Dodge must have a part number for that rod end, but it was nowhere to be found on the instructions you posted. I wonder if the only difference between the ends is the thread size/pitch. I'll dig out the old T linkage laying around here somewhere to see what thread is on it's rod end.

Synergy also has a Dodge steering upgrade option:
http://www.synergymfg.com/Synergy-94-13-Dodge-Truck-Heavy-Duty-Steering-Kit-p-30964.html

I misspoke as far as the two ends. IIRC the box is set-up for the updated linkage and if you have the old linkage there is a rod end for that so either way you're covered. Not two ends in the box.

I'm running the updated steering and no problems so far. That's a good price for that box.

That synergy kit looks nice. It is a bit pricey though and it suffers the same issue that lead to all the Dodge T linkage recalls: the drag link wants to rotate the tie rod. It appears the Synergy linkage addresses the rolling over of the tie rod (they call it "flop") by using a "wobble stopper" limiting spacer on the right rod end.

Dodge finally got it right starting in 2013 / 2014 when they connected the drag link to the steering knuckle instead of to the tie rod. http://blog.dieselpowerproducts.com...nt-end-fix-weve-all-been-waiting-for-from-ram Anything less than a true crossover design like the newer trucks have is just a different style of bandaid, not a true solution. Unfortunately I know of no crossover kits for third gens that will work on stock height trucks. That being the case I'll stick with the Y type linkage and if that becomes impossible to source parts for then I'll switch to the least expensive aftermarket T type linkage.

What would be great is if the 2014 knuckle is a bolt on for our trucks so we could have crossover steering with factory parts. Both years use the same upper ball joint so the upper taper in the steering knuckle is the same. The rest of the parts are different, but that doesn't mean the dimensions on the knuckle are not the same. If I hit the lottery, and after fixing everything else thats wrong with the truck, I'll buy a 2014 knuckle to see if it would be possible.