Cal fires

[Lynx0849]

As an outsider to California, it always seemed odd to me that given the apparent certainty of fires, so many houses have flammable roofing and there isn’t a concerted effort to remove combustibles each year before fire season?

It is sad to see so much loss and suffering.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

As an outsider to California, it always seemed odd to me that given the apparent certainty of fires, so many houses have flammable roofing and there isn’t a concerted effort to remove combustibles each year before fire season?

It is sad to see so much loss and suffering.

Wood shake roofing in Ca hasn't been allowed in years, and grant programs has brought in tons of money to help get home owners to convert their existing wood shake roofs.

Also have to remember that legacy construction (real wood) has become a thing of the past, so when homes ignite, they burn very hot and very quickly. Remember that the next time you see a glulam beam being set, or non fire rated OSB sheathing being nailed on.

Calfire has a rule for "100ft of defensible space" for rural area homes, and fines can be implemented for home and property owners that are not compliant.

 

[JR]

Global warming caused little rain, everything was very dry. Takes very little to light it off. Even a old discarded glass bottle could start one with the sun shining thru it.

Scientists guesstimate the average temperature while the dinosaurs roamed the earth between 73 degrees and 90 degrees Fahrenheit - compare that to current average temps of 60.

Give it a rest already

 

[Lynx0849]

Wood shake roofing in Ca hasn't been allowed in years, and grant programs has brought in tons of money to help get home owners to convert their existing wood shake roofs.

Also have to remember that legacy construction (real wood) has become a thing of the past, so when homes ignite, they burn very hot and very quickly. Remember that the next time you see a glulam beam being set, or non fire rated OSB sheathing being nailed on.

Calfire has a rule for "100ft of defensible space" for rural area homes, and fines can be implemented for home and property owners that are not compliant.

Good to know. Last time I spent any time in California outside of a convention hall was back in the 80s.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I think I'm suppose to respond with ugly words ?

it was my thought that the CRY BABY had me on his COMMIEFORNIA Snubb list

Its Commiefornias intent to lead the way with FREE THINKING MILLENNIALS!!! give all the $ to the illegals & welfare recipients & leave nothing for the State services then Belly Ache about needing federal assistance.

Put your feet back on the front desk of the ROACH MOTEL and besides I thought that Halloween costume of volunteer fire fighter would be out volunteering??? or won't MOMMY let him out of the house?

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Scientists guesstimate the average temperature while the dinosaurs roamed the earth between 73 degrees and 90 degrees Fahrenheit - compare that to current average temps of 60.

Give it a rest already

And the world keeps turning, all on it's own. Who knew?

 

[jhenderson]

I've read comments that have said that Ca deserves what's it's getting. I guess the people in Las Vegas got what they deserved as well? Pretty F'n pathetic that someone has the brass to say such horrible things. I guess those people don't have much of a conscience???

No innocent individual " deserves" what's going on. It is fair to point out that the priorities have been changed over the years and public safety as well as infrastructure has suffered for that line of thinking.

 

[p-Bar]

Fire season is far from over. Sept through Oct are always hot months for incidents such as this. As far as I know, none of the Nor Ca, Cal Fire units have laid off their seasonal employee's yet, and they typically are the first to down staff in the state.

Well I guess after all these years they finally figured it out

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Well I guess after all these years they finally figured it out

I doubt it. So Cal is usually the area of concern for this time of year with the Santa Ana winds. All of these fires in Nor Cal for this time of year are a rarity. Not unheard of, just not typical.

The body count goes up almost daily as they have time to search burned over homes. Very sad with so many homes, businesses, and memories lost in a blink of an eye.

 

[p-Bar]

I was a paid call fireman in South orange county in the 80's we always sweated these months more than summer.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

I was a paid call fireman in South orange county in the 80's we always sweated these months more than summer.

A lot of fun right? I'm 41 and still at it, providing I stay healthy enough. I'd keep doing it even they took they pay check away.

 

[p-Bar]

A lot of fun right? I'm 41 and still at it, providing I stay healthy enough. I'd keep doing it even they took they pay check away.

Oh ya great times made some lifelong friends too. Tried going fulltime needed a medic cert too much competition , you needed to be a black female with a Spanish surname for the larger departments.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Oh ya great times made some lifelong friends too. Tried going fulltime needed a medic cert too much competition , you needed to be a black female with a Spanish surname for the larger departments.

Competition is tough. I'm and engineer/AEMT actually, but I've never really applied for full time. I've been self employed for so long now that I don't know that I'd fair very well having to answer to a boss. Besides, I cover my station when needed and do virtually everything the full time staff does, but without the politics and head aches.

 

[Dl5treez]

I read a report from a user about off topic immature behavior on this thread.

Here we have yet another legitimate discussion on TDR watered down by yet another juvenile ******* contest that yet again drives people away from the site.

It's rather embarrassing, really.

Kick it down a gear, open the wing window, and enjoy the scenery. Be thankful your homes aren't on fire.

Thanks.

Dan C. the 40yo "moderator"

 

[ACoyle]

Well said Dl5treez

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Welp, my mom still hasn't been able to get into her home, and the body count continues to rise as the SAR teams search through burned over neighborhoods. Pretty sad times for many Californian's.

 

[SnoKing]

The fate of creation and its wonders is at stake

Timothy Egan
Syndicated columnist


The last runs of heavenly wild salmon are trickling in this month, the buttery coho with flesh the color of fall foliage. After that, we’ll have to settle for mostly farmed and frozen fish until next spring — no substitute for the real deal.

We can count on this seasonal miracle, healthy fish returning to their birthplaces and then on to the dinner table, so long as the fragile balance of nature remains intact. But with a president who is going after clean air, clean water and the world’s most valuable wild salmon fishery, the fate of creation and all the myriad wonders within it is at stake.

I use “creation” as an appeal to creationists to look at what your president is doing to Eden, or what’s left of it. I also want to appeal to economic nationalists. For the USA has the greatest home for sockeye salmon on the planet in Alaska’s Bristol Bay. The Trump administration is putting it at risk in order to aid a foreign mining conglomerate.

This American carnage is led by a man whose job is to protect the natural world within our borders, Environmental Protection Agency administrator Scott Pruitt. As you may have heard, he has sealed himself off from the public with a $25,000 phone security system and an 18-member security detail. It took a court order to pry loose some of the details of his meetings. No surprise, he holds daily lap-dog sessions with the companies he is supposed to regulate.

Pruitt is the swamp, the only wetland the Trump administration wants to protect. He serves the oil, chemical and mining interests that propped him up when he was attorney general of Oklahoma. He now runs the oil, chemical and mining protection agency out of Washington, with our money. You would never guess that this toady in a suit works for us.

Look around. The catastrophic wildfires that are sweeping through iconic landscapes in Northern California and carpetbombing entire neighborhoods are a glimpse into an early future in the West. Hurricanes, rolling in one after the other, are swamping cities. Every month brings a new high temperature record.

Until this year, the U.S. response was in tune with the rest of the world — to try to do something to fix this overheated globe of ours.

In announcing this week that President Donald Trump intends to spite all the other nations and gut President Barack Obama’s signature effort to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, Pruitt framed the move as the end of the “war on coal.” Now comes the war on the planet and public health.

Amid the hourly calamities of a White House that is forced to treat its chief occupant like a toddler, it’s easy to forget that Trump is doing real damage to things that all of us share.

So, that’s politics, right? To the victor go the spoils. He’s simply rolling back onerous regulations, as promised, and sticking it to the global elites on climate change. Well, no.

Your party affiliation will not protect you from the chemicals sprayed on strawberries — shown to cause brain damage to children — which Trump will allow to remain in the food chain. Living in a red state will not keep warming oceans from rising ever higher when the latest 500-year storm hits your region. Being a Trump supporter does not protect your favorite stream from the toxic discharge of a power plant into a public waterway.

All of the above are potential consequences of more than 50 environmental rules that Trump has tried to kill since he took office.

National monuments — not the Confederate kind that Trump wants to preserve, but special places protected in somewhat the same way as national parks — are also in his sights. These are unique landscapes set aside for their cultural, historical or scenic splendor. Trump could shrink 10 of them — another sellout of American heritage.

In Alaska, he is going against the will of the people to target Bristol Bay. Half the world’s wild sockeye come from this magical place, a bounty that supports 14,000 jobs. Alaskans are a cantankerous bunch who can’t agree on much of anything. Yet they voted by an overwhelming margin in 2014 to protect Bristol Bay from a gold and copper mine that could generate 10 billion tons of toxic waste.

And unlike big food producers in the heartland, the Bristol Bay salmon industry is not propped up by subsidies, chemicals or compromised politicians. The fish need only clean water and healthy oceans. That’s why the EPA had earlier concluded that the proposed Pebble mine could have a “catastrophic” impact on the bay.

Trump’s men are rolling over for the gold mine. Just hours after Pruitt met with the mine’s corporate leadership, Trump reversed EPA protection, as CNN reported this week. If you’re surprised that wild salmon would be sacrificed for precious metal, remember that one of Trump’s few passions is for gold-plated bathroom fixtures.

© 2017, New York Times News Service

Timothy Egan is a New York Times

columnist.

 

[Regcabguy]

Some valid points.

 

[JR]

Can't argue with anything you said SnoKing.
Well said.

Not his words, and not exactly accurate.
The only thing that's happened at this juncture is the reversal of a questionable "block" of the mining companies ability to apply for a permit. Now they can proceed with the proper federal permits which can take up to 4 years and includes an Army Corps of Engineers impact statement as well as input from the public. To say Trump or Pruitt is "pushing" for anything is sensationalist at best. They are simply allowing due process.

 

[Wayne M.]

Well THAT was a walk around the barn, eh?
But back OT, these fires, which are sometimes naturally occurring, negate the most austere greenie's work over decades in a hour.
I really think there are common sense heads steering us nowadays.
While I'm thinking about mining stuff, has anyone ever looked into what it takes to obtain Lithium for hybrid batteries? Can you look that up Sno?