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Blah Blah Blah. Don't lug the motor. Sounds like some ruckus too Me. I drive a 18 speed logging truck. gear roll over happens when your in too low of a gear and a given wheel speed when the harmonics of the engine rattle through the entire drive train you either have to start rolling of the throttle or rev up and pick a lower gear.

I own a 97 ram 2500 cummins nv4500. I recently pushed the carrier bearing out of the bushing because the spline was holding up so when the differential goes up or down the busing was being stressed until it finally failed. I took the driveshaft out. Looked at the damper ring on the yoke it was wiggling quite a bit but the rubber didn't seem bad. it was a little damaged from riding against the output of the transfer case for about 500 feet though. I decided to remove the metal ring reading peoples comments about how it is only designed for torsional vibrations and it doesn't balance the driveshaft and that if it falls off it only causes problems.

The problem is that I like to run My truck at low rpm. I don't see anything wrong with it other then these horrible vibrations in direct drive. The point is that with that damper between the drive shaft and the rest of the drive train what is that thing actually doing? Is it just reducing noise coming though the drive shaft or is it actually reducing those vibrations throughout the entire drivetrain? I noticed that once I removed that damper I cannot lug after shifting from into 4th around 900rpm and slowly move up until I hit 1000-1100 and then finally give it a little more. I now have to rev the motor too 1700rpm and land 4th at 1000 rpm on flat ground and cant even gain speed at that rpm without torsional vibrations causing the driveshaft to ring out or possibly other parts?. With the damper on the yoke I could be on a hill and bring the engine up to 1600 in 3rd shift into 4th and be at 900 without any noise just had to bring it up slowly without putting too fuel/load on the engine and no vibration. 1000 and above you can giver more. I'm just wondering if a fluid damper or a super damper would eliminate those vibrations. You cant buy the yoke with damper anymore mainly because people keep run their motor at peak torque rpm's. As long as you are not full throttle or loaded you should be able to run this motor at 1100 rpm all day long. I get the ever so slightest ringing sound probably coming from the drive shaft at 1100 going up a hill. It is very very faint. Go below and the difference is much greater in comparison to having the damper. I could roll off the throttle for blocks from 1250 down to 800 rpm going up a hill before downshifting into 3rd to gain speed back up to 900 rpm. lol. now I have to roll off much quicker going up hills or I get that vibration.

Fill the driveshaft full of oil? fluid damper, or a super damper for the crank? what about HD single piece driveshaft? It would be heavier and absorb more vibration? What do you think will smooth the lugging stairclimbing machine out? I live where their are hills pretty much everywhere. 3rd is My friend but I want 4th like before or better. I only use OD for the highway or coasting down hills speeds sometimes.
 
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So I called a bunch of driveshaft people. quoting Me 1000-1200 for a one piece 5" drive shaft. I asked about the damper everybody seems to have mixed reviews. Some say its cause dodge used a crappy driveshaft so they put the balancer ring on the yoke. What I don't understand is that how does putting the balancer on the yoke balance the driveshaft? I'm pretty sure it is simply to reduce and eliminate torsional vibrations between the wheels and the crankshaft . Without the damper anything below 1000rpm and I get a bunch of metal hammering at itself. I'm saying that the damper made a small difference but it was a very noticeable difference at lower rpm in 4th direct. I want to know if buying a big aluminum driveshaft is going to eliminate the low rpm vibrations I am getting without the damper in 4th gear. Or are all the aluminum driveshaft buyers trying to go 1000mph and feel like their on a cloud? Either I gotta find a used damper or spend a grand on a inferior aluminum driveshaft. I read some forums of people getting a lot of these vibrations only in 4th gear towing up steep grades. I know that I got stuck behind a stupid Toyota pulling a trailer. I was unloaded slowly catching up in 4th gear rolling off the trhottle and people where passing Me. I got to about 1000rpm going up a 14% grade she was purring no problem until I was able to pass and get up to a normal rpm. I'm guessing doing the same thing without the damper would result in the sound of loose change coming from My drivetrain and cause unwanted wear. Loaded going up a hill I could probably see the damper doing even more dampening in 4th gear. If I cant fix the problem I will sell the truck and drive a prius.
 
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well, isn't that a no brainer?

If you are not totally pleased with our quality and workmanship and/or the way your truck drives with our HD 5.0 Aluminum shaft we will Buy It Back.
Here is the fine print on that program. You can not drive on it for 6 months or a year. You need to let us know really quick that you are not happy or there is a problem with the driveshaft. We will try to make you happy. We are nice people to work with. The only other thing is we ask you to pay shpping for the return. Is that Reasonable? How many checks have I written to Dodge owners? ZERO!

copy from the above mentioned San Anto Company.

And no I didn't do business with them yet but I will next year because the references are fine.
 
on flat ground I could shift real low from 3rd into 5th and be halfway between the 1000 and Im guessing the 1750 line. The lightest bit of throttle once shifted and you feel every punch of the pistons moving you forward the truck hopping a bit in the front end with no bad noises ;). Can't do that without the damper. Just sounds like metal hitting itself at that rpm now. I read the other part of that driveshaft return policy. States about manufacture defects. I just want to know for sure before getting one if it does make a world of difference vs the old one. If I decide to tow heavy the wheels don't like to move up mountains with huge loads pulled behind them unless your in the right gear so towing up a hill loading up the drive train could cause alot of torsional vibrations in direct drive. I know automatics operate 1250rpm and above but the manuals are better cause they don't gear down like morons hopped on crystal. I want a 6 inch driveshaft with 2 super dampers so I can Idle up a 14% grade in direct drive without vibrations. why don't people make this stuff?
 
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why don't people make this stuff?

Eh, because at the end of the day your still rowing gears on what was originally designed to be mated to a gas engine . The NV4500 is NOT a MD transmission, and driving it as such behind an engine that is capable of high torque at low rpm is asking for trouble. It did much better behind the 350 small blocks in the GM applications. It's a ticking time bomb no matter how you run it if you use it like a truck.
 
ruckus, you clearly dont want to hear this...but you're running your RPM's way too low for that engine. Yes, the Cummins ISB is a low RPM motor compared to anything else of similar size and application, but that doesnt mean you can equate the 5.9 to your class 8 logging truck. I've driven commercial too and yes those much larger liter engines can run at even lower RPM's, but I was still typically pulling in the 1500+ RPM range down the highway.

You're simply asking way to much for such a small engine. The crank harmonics are so intense under load at those kinda RPM's that its causing the clutch springs to hammer which is delivering severe driveline shock load. I'm surprised you're not replacing various parts more frequently which would be affected by driveline harmonics. And a stronger aftermarket clutch will only make it much worse too as the disc dampers gets stiffer.

That said, a Fluidampr will help but only so much.
 
ruckus, you clearly dont want to hear this...but you're running your RPM's way too low for that engine. Yes, the Cummins ISB is a low RPM motor compared to anything else of similar size and application, but that doesnt mean you can equate the 5.9 to your class 8 logging truck. I've driven commercial too and yes those much larger liter engines can run at even lower RPM's, but I was still typically pulling in the 1500+ RPM range down the highway.

You're simply asking way to much for such a small engine. The crank harmonics are so intense under load at those kinda RPM's that its causing the clutch springs to hammer which is delivering severe driveline shock load. I'm surprised you're not replacing various parts more frequently which would be affected by driveline harmonics. And a stronger aftermarket clutch will only make it much worse too as the disc dampers gets stiffer.

That said, a Fluidampr will help but only so much.

I would not run My truck anywhere near 1000rpm loaded. But like I sayed even if your not getting driveline vibrations unloaded it might be a different story loaded even at a higher rpm because of the forces between the wheels and the engine speed. More torque applied against more forces at a higher rpm might give the same results. I towed around 1500 rpm in My automatic all the time with OD locked out. I would be around 1700rpm and instead of hammering the throttle to keep it at 1700 I would just let the rpm's drop and she holds at 1500 all day long. Just seems to be where the motor runs best. 1500rpm with 20,000lbs going up a grade in direct drive might cause vibration issues without that damper?
 
Well I heard a story while talking about My truck on a radio driving truck. cat motor was in excavator. replaced with a 12v 5.9. 2500 was no good. 2000 rpm they ran the rebuild but it was slower. So 2000rpm is max when loaded.
 
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