6.4L Gas Oil Reports

[Wiredawg]

I've run 5-20 in the 5.7's and 0w40 in the 6.4's. I live in interior Alaska and the trucks see up to mid 80's in the summer and -40 in the winter.

My .02 cents is the same failure mode happening with Ford 5.4's, extended drain interval. Engines that get the oil changed more often don't seem to have the failures. Also, MDS engines (like GM's smallblocks) should have lifters replaced every 125k -150k in my opinion. Once the rollers get chewed up, it's cam time baby!

Copy, I appreciate it. I don't do extended oil drain intervals on my gas vehicles... every 5K miles or 12 months. Wifes truck has 4200 on it now and will be a year old Aug.

Thanks, Ron

 

[TFucili]

Tom,
This was caused due to using the 5W20 factory fill on the oil? And was repair covered under factory warranty? Engine replacement or rebuild?

Thanks, Ron

Ron, I pulled these photos off of one of the threads related to cam failure. I would not say 5W20 oil caused it, as I actually have come to believe they have a design issue and/or vendor QC issue with the roller lifters, as this has been going on for quite a while. I will say that today's manufacturer oil choices are driven more by EPA ratings than longevity. Case in point, there was a thread that illustrated that hemis shipped overseas called for higher viscosity oil. At the biginning I figured it was owners who raced their trucks, or skipped maintenance, but I have watched it long enough to say that is definitely NOT the case. As to warranty, yes I have seen plenty get covered within the warranty period, or by extended warranty, but there have been plenty of folks who were out of warranty, and had to buck up.

As to drain intervals, one of the failures I saw recently was a guy running <5K intervals.

 

[Timd32]

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As to drain intervals, one of the failures I saw recently was a guy running <5K intervals

Yeah I was hoping to avoid those short duration this go round with the O/A. Its not going to fix/prevent anything testing the oil, if there are design issues not much I can do but run it. In my case its a purpose built truck with a lift gate and all the options I wanted, 4.10LS rears and the sort. Replaceable for sure there are a few hundred available at any given month, but then I'm out the doc fees, registration, taxes.....that alone I would let them try to fix it, as long its not some multi month saga.

I will glady present the O/A, I'm sure they will just laugh at it. It's a shame they purposely stay in the dark to save money, because on the industrial side we test coolant and oil all the time when a radiator can be around $85k-$100k, a client needs to take precautions as soon as possible to avoid failures and also reduce unnecessary maintenance costs.

 

[sag2]

My Hemi ticked from day one. Ran Mobil one 5w-20 and changed about Every 8k. Sampled the first three changes and only thing out of line was copper was a little high. 50k when I sold it.

 

[Wayne M.]

My 5.7 has about 54k on it now. I’ve been sticking to a medium oil drain interval (by my standards) which is about 5-6000 miles, around 30-40% oil life, which is a twice a year drain. I try to do a hot drain.
Since I have Max care and I usually keep my vehicles long term, I’ve been playing hardball with the oil and filters. Only the Mopar 899 filter, and the MS spec oil, which AFAIK is Pennz Platinum or Valvoline Syn power or whatever they call it in 5/20. I haven’t sampled- I get grief at the post office.
I do get what I think is lifted bleed at start up once in a while, but this engine is pretty much quiet, and I’m still deciding if it’s the dash proving out, or does the oil light stay on too long? I haven’t figured out a way to make the center readout stay on oil pressure as I’m cranking. I’m always observing cars around me in traffic and in parking lots, and there are a lot of noisy engines out there today! Usually I can spot if it’s GDI or abuse by the owner

Hey Tim, I recently found out about the M&M car show coming up on Memorial Day. I’m hoping to come up!

 

[Timd32]

Hey Tim, I recently found out about the M&M car show coming up on Memorial Day. I’m hoping to come up!

The Htown Rotary puts that on great group of people, I was invited to one of their meetings last year in April, saw a lot of behind the scenes stuff to put that on, I got a few of their members to help me on a Habitat for Humanity project I assist with. We are doing another small project with them this year so I was going to help volunteer at that as a exchange of time.

Buddy at work just picked up a Trackhawk, and they have a few newer Mustangs they like to show, so maybe they will be over there as well.

https://hackettstownrotary.org/event/25th-annual-memorial-motor-madness/

 

[Wayne M.]

Thanks for the link, Tim. Let me know where I can find you there!

 

[Timd32]

Sure thing.

 

[Timd32]

Latest report, went 9,650 on Castrol Edge 0w40, it actually is not to the MS spec, but it meets all sorts of others, also I looked up the cut sheets and I tend to see at different times these oils go in and out of several specs with in a product life cycle, so it was interesting how they tweak the same product over its life cycle. Figure would keep track of that as well, as maybe it would make a difference at some point if the formulation changed at some point. The first time I used it I read up and they were awaiting some test results for some certifications.

Had a very small ticking at some point but it settled out, as of right now no ticking at all but will be keeping an ear out.... I mentioned to the place that does my oil changes and they refuse to use anything else but the 0w40, so would have to do it my self which with a new baby on the way in a few weeks will be making that hard to add on to the to do list pile. So if things stay quiet will try out the extended run again.

This was the Castrol spec first time I used it....

Current spec. Changed to A3/B4, will have to read up on what exactly that means...

Current Oil report

 

[Bug Out]

For what its worth, I have a 2.4L Jeep that calls for 0-20. It was burning 1 quart plus every 1000 miles, twice as much as FCA calls for. Dealer pissed on me, said within specs. I changed up to 5-20 oil consumption dropped to a pint in 2K miles..

 

[Wiredawg]

For what its worth, I have a 2.4L Jeep that calls for 0-20. It was burning 1 quart plus every 1000 miles, twice as much as FCA calls for. Dealer pissed on me, said within specs. I changed up to 5-20 oil consumption dropped to a pint in 2K miles..

I have a 2014 Jeep with a 3.6L V6 and been running Mobil 1 0-20, which has been working fine for 37K miles, changing oil every 10K miles. The oil minder goes off a short time after; manual says not to exceed 10K miles. I hate to say it out loud, but my Jeep has been pretty good. I do all the maintenance except transmission fluid changes, which isn't due for a while.

EDIT:L I just saw I contradicted my earlier post in this thread by saying I change every 5K miles on my gas vehicles. I actually change 10K on my Jeep, which isn't extended according to Jeep manual. We are changing every year on my wife's 2019 1500 5.7L, because we're only putting around 5zk miles/year on it.

Cheers, Ron

 

[sag2]

Interesting your copper is high but coming down just like my first three samples were. I believe your 6.4 has an oil cooler where my 5.7 didn't. I still have no clue where the copper was coming from.

 

[Timd32]

Interesting your copper is high but coming down just like my first three samples were.

Yeah I remember your post on that and was curious if mine would drop or stay high. I was looking forward to seeing how that was coming along.

A few of us thought I ran the oil into the ground when it started ticking, but seems was still looking good.

I was doing some research on that Bob the oil guy site, they have a whole bunch of posts on that Castol Edge oil quite the product life cycle, always the same canned answer on the technical capability on long interval, go with the Mfg drain/fill schedule.

From the look of some of the posts on the 6.4 valve train and cam issues, I don't think those are long interval related, looks more like some sort of set up issue from the factory or component issue. But I'm not a engineer just play one at work.