Potential new gooseneck equipment trailer. Help me option it.

[dieselshadow]

I wouldn’t consider Dexter “**** quality parts.”

 

[NIsaacs]

And I’m having a Tool Time Tim Taylor attack over the wet wheel hubs.

Wasn't that "Tool Man Tim Taylor"? I just did a search and can't find him.

Opps, the OP don't like "walking around the barn"

 

[dieselshadow]

Wasn't that "Tool Man Tim Taylor"? I just did a search and can't find him.

Opps, the OP don't like "walking around the barn"

Tim Allen was in a show called “Home Improvement” that his character was a tool show host called “Tool Time.” His characters name was Tim Taylor. It was a great show for the time. He represented most men in his wants and needs for tools, speed, horsepower, and everything “man.”

I’m all for “a walk around the barn.” As long as it’s within taste and returns back to the OP’s topic. It’s rather annoying to folks when they ask a question about X and next thing you know the whole topic is Y and the original question was never addressed. But going off-topic is also what keeps things interesting and human. It’s part of what forums are.

 

[NIsaacs]

I guess I missed that meaning by a mile

 

[TFucili]

Hey Nick, how's that 428FE running?

 

[NIsaacs]

Hey Nick, how's that 428FE running?

 

[Wayne M.]

I’m quite surprised that members here might not know about “Home Improvement” so here’s a quick clip to sum it up. What a great show with imagination. There’s nothing like it on tv today.

 

[gsbrockman]

Electric over hydraulic brakes are awesome.......they are worth the upgrade.

 

[dieselshadow]

Electric over hydraulic brakes are awesome.......they are worth the upgrade.

Like $2k worth? It’s a very expensive upgrade. I like brakes and I really like safety, but I can’t say I’ve pulled a trailer with disc brakes. All of the drums were able to lock the wheels without much fuss.

....of course this trailer will be bigger, longer, and haul more weight.

I greatly appreciate all the insight y’all provide.

 

[gsbrockman]

Bigger, longer, and heavier capacity weight trailers deserve electric over hydraulic brakes.
I have pulled 7k axles with electric.
I have pulled 8k axles with electric.
I have pulled 10k axles with electric.
I have pulled 12k axles with electric over hydraulic.
I have pulled 15k axles with electric over hydraulic.

Lots of these pulls have been two and three gooseneck stacks, with a GCW of 29k minimum, sometimes 42k maximum.
Below is a pic of a 40+5 gooseneck load that came in at 42,020 lbs.

You’ve checked off a lot of the premium boxes already. Go with the EOH option....

 

[JR]

Electric over hydraulic brakes are awesome.......they are worth the upgrade.

Have you ever ran EOH with drums? Opinions on the comparison between them and EOH disc?

Just changed rotors on my Mercury last weekend. This a vehicle that gets driven weekly anyhow. Rotors made it through 3 winter's
I didn't feel comfortable pushing a 4th

The rotors on my 14 aren't far behind.

 

[jhenderson]

If your car had drums do you think they wouldn’t look at least as bad?

 

[Timd32]

How about the difference between a galvanized frame vs a painted frame?

Worth the difference?

 

[JR]

If your car had drums do you think they wouldn’t look at least as bad?

Not by a long shot. The outside will rust but is easily remedial by sandblasting and painting with high temp paint. Or do as most do and let them just rust. Either way the shoe surface area on the inside stays clean. From my experience better than the surface on a rotor will which gets very imperfect over time. When I sold my 98 it was on it's 2nd set of drums. I lost count of how many sets of rotors I went through from corrosion not wear. They literally rust from the inside out, cooling fins swell up which takes away from the cooling ability. Calipers require annual cleaning and greasing to slow the corrosion of slides and pins. In contrast my trailer brakes (drum) are 7 years old. Only thing I've replaced in that time frame is the magnets. I actually replace them (brakes) by wear not corrosion.

 

[gsbrockman]

Have you ever ran EOH with drums? Opinions on the comparison between them and EOH disc?

I have pulled plenty of EOH in both disc and drum configurations.
The engagement of either is very predictable and progressive. When set up properly, they feel as fluid and predictable as the truck’s own braking system.

I believe the overall performance would remain unchanged over the life of the friction material in any EOH setup. Sometimes the self adjusters in standard, non-EOH drum brake applications.....simply don’t self adjust.

I brake early, and manage a good space cushion between myself and others. Short of getting into the total square inches of friction material of brake pads versus brake shoes...and rotor diameter / swept area and brake shoe width and drum diameters, I’m not sure I can make a fair comparison as to whether disc are better than drum.

From a maintenance standpoint.....there would be less tear down involved with performing a lining replacement with the disc brake setup than the drum brake setup.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Electric over hydraulic brakes are awesome.......they are worth the upgrade.

I am dumping the POS drum/spring suspension on my Salt water boat Trailer for Dexter TorFlex axles with disks and EOH Marine actuator. Cost over 3k but well worth it!

 

[jhenderson]

Not by a long shot. The outside will rust but is easily remedial by sandblasting and painting with high temp paint. Or do as most do and let them just rust. Either way the shoe surface area on the inside stays clean. From my experience better than the surface on a rotor will which gets very imperfect over time. When I sold my 98 it was on it's 2nd set of drums. I lost count of how many sets of rotors I went through from corrosion not wear. They literally rust from the inside out, cooling fins swell up which takes away from the cooling ability. Calipers require annual cleaning and greasing to slow the corrosion of slides and pins. In contrast my trailer brakes (drum) are 7 years old. Only thing I've replaced in that time frame is the magnets. I actually replace them (brakes) by wear not corrosion.

That’s not the case around here. Disc or drum, rust is rust. Shoes rust to drums and the pivot points lock up. Time spent trying to free them without disassembly is often wasted time. Disassembly inevitably requires all new hardware for the same reason. Magnet surface of the drums rust and fail to make contact. Running them in sometimes is sufficient but not always. Trailer drums aren’t as trouble free as you’d suggest when they sit for a spell.

 

[NIsaacs]

Electric over hydraulic brakes are awesome.......they are worth the upgrade.

Says the guy who don't have to pay for them or maintain them, Gator gives him new ones every trip

I have a hunch hydraulic brake systems require more maintenance than you might think and can even not work for a variety of reasons. They are man made so they can break

Several years ago I bought a small car trailer (used) with hydraulic surge brakes. They were destroyed from the moisture in the brake fluid (no maintenance). I tossed them and replace the system with electric, all is well. For me, $2k is hard to come by.

 

[NIsaacs]

I am dumping the POS drum/spring suspension on my Salt water boat Trailer for Dexter TorFlex axles with disks and EOH Marine actuator. Cost over 3k but well worth it!

I notice you use this term "POS" in your opinions about different subjects but then you don't back it up, with "why".

Torsion axles pull and ride nice, I have one. However, they need to be totally level or the slightly unloaded axle will lock the brakes really easy. So, then you only get total breaking force from the lightest of the two axles. They are harder to get and keep level than you might think. If you start level empty then load it, what goes down the most, the trailer or the truck, now you are not level again. Overall, I like my spring axles with equalizers the best. Off highway, they just work better.

I can also see where a trailer with a dedicated load that never changes, such as an RV or boat trailer it would be easier to level and keep level. Also the longer the better.

 

[AH64ID]

Torsion axles also don’t work well unless they have about 2/3 of their rated capacity on them.