Banks Power discusses hi cap diff covers

[seafish]

BTW & FYI --

Contrary to Gale Banks claim that "no one else" makes a diff cover like his, in fact the rear diff cover made by BD already incorporates ALL of the "features" that Gale claims he has "discovered" a diff cover er "needs", with the minor exception of the "ram air cooling tunnels" on his design that are SUPPOSED to draw air up from underneath the truck onto the cooling fins, but likely as not, since there is NO data supplied, the effect of said tunnels would be negligible if they even work at all. And the BD cover DOES in fact have a larger sump on the bottom to allow for more lube capacity without affecting ring gear flow etc. etc etc. unlike the Banks which claims that there is NO advantage, and actually a DISadvantage, to more lube !!!

PIX here--

https://www.dieselperformance.com/s...aa14-11-5-dodge-2003-2018-chevy-2011-2018-921

 

[KATOOM]

NOPE...there is NO data, only fluffy ideas that sound good and a lot of tech that SHOULD have given PLENTY of good data but did NOT!!!

Glad to hear you saw through the BS because I'm amazing at how many people on various forums were swindled by Gales smooth talking...

 

[seafish]

TBH, I was kinda fascinated by the videos and just kept waiting for the DATA which he SAID was coming!!!!...

And then there was NONE...I honestly thought I must have missed it. I watched them all again and the joke was on me... BUT I didn't "get it"...LOL!!!!

And since, IN FACT, he actually presented NO ( I mean ZERO) hard numbers, I simply HAVE to assume that he has them, but they did NOT prove anything about the superiority of his design!!! I mean, if they DID actually prove anything significant about his design, he would have put them out there, right???

 

[Shiner]

TBH, I was kinda fascinated by the videos and just kept waiting for the DATA which he SAID was coming!!!!...

And then there was NONE...I honestly thought I must have missed it. I watched them all again and the joke was on me... BUT I didn't "get it"...LOL!!!!

And since, IN FACT, he actually presented NO ( I mean ZERO) hard numbers, I simply HAVE to assume that he has them, but they did NOT prove anything about the superiority of his design!!! I mean, if they DID actually prove anything significant about his design, he would have put them out there, right???

That's the same conclusion I came to. As I am the King of procrastination, I look study, ponder, ask questions, study, look, ponder, repeat over and over...…..and then, I try to make an informed decision. Some miss-construe this as being tight...…
I just try to not fall into the trappings of the internet where all is true and to be believed.
I will hand it to Banks, he is a master seller/marketer of snake oils.

 

[DonFitzwater]

That's the same conclusion I came to. As I am the King of procrastination, I look study, ponder, ask questions, study, look, ponder, repeat over and over...…..and then, I try to make an informed decision. Some miss-construe this as being tight...…
I just try to not fall into the trappings of the internet where all is true and to be believed.
I will hand it to Banks, he is a master seller/marketer of snake oils.

But if it’s on the internet it has to be true........right!

 

[Shiner]

But if it’s on the internet it has to be true........right!

Sadly, some people believe anything they read and hear, regardless of the source. That fact is true.

 

[Regcabguy]

My Amsoil gear fluid looked like new @ 70K. The axle's had a Mag-Hytec for eleven years now.

 

[seafish]

My Amsoil gear fluid looked like new @ 70K. The axle's had a Mag-Hytec for eleven years now.

Well according to Gale it has experienced excessive aeration and is ruined. You'd better send it to him for testing so that he can justify selling you one of his covers to replace the inferior MagHytec diff cover. LOL/JK!!! Happy New Year!!

 

[Learjet]

new Banks video

 

[KATOOM]

Thanks for posting... I already saw it show up on YT the other day.
Following Gales fashion so far in this much heated discussion, his new video contains nothing new. It only discusses the same stuff everyone saw in his other previous diff cover videos.

My opinion is...Gales outrageously overpriced new differential cover is too expensive for most people and his anticipated sales arent meeting the hype he tried to generate by telling everyone that their current "flatback" cover was going to cause damage.
So what do you do when you're sitting around on a stockpile of diff cover inventory not moving? Ya double down on marketing and see if you can reel people back in to the kool aid before summer towing season...

 

[TFucili]

Hurry, hurry, step right up! The carnival barker...

 

[Michaelsloft]

new Banks video

Gale Banks reminded me of Joe Biden in this video!

 

[Shiner]

Biden......that’s priceless! LMAO!

 

[JR]

I can't help but correlate this pan comparison to the timeless synthetic vs conventional engine oil debate.

Synthetic oil is better because, because, errr, BECAUSE IT JUST IS!

 

[Ozymandias]

In the end we just found out the the OEM Cover is just - GOOD.

 

[Learjet]

In the end we just found out the the OEM Cover is just - GOOD.

and it doesn't have breakaway parts

 

[brods]

In the end we just found out the the OEM Cover is just - GOOD.

Yep. Often times there is more engineering into a stock part than people realize. I would have liked to see how the stock AAM Max Tow cover 74030017 would have done in those tests. Probably would have come in second to the Banks only because it doesn't have the air scoops.

It is interesting to see all the emotion that comes into play on stuff like this. Most of what Banks says makes sense. Air in the oil is bad. Extra oil doesn't make anything run cooler. Flinging around more oil takes more energy which is turned into heat. Its hard to argue with the videos with the clear covers. Would I buy the expensive Banks cover, no. If I frequently towed heavy I might consider the 74030017, which can be bought for less than $200.

 

[dieselshadow]

More oil can make things run more stable, but not necessarily in this situation. Quite simply a larger mass takes longer to heat up and has the ability to absorb more energy in heat form. In the same respect, that larger mass also takes longer to dissipate that same heat, but it’s usually exposed to a larger area than the smaller volume occupied. Not all situations are the same. In my industry the larger volume generally wins the battle every day, but I don’t work on rear-ends for a living. I’m quite fine with the stick cover on my truck. It’ll probably get a wire brushing and paint job on the next oil change, but that’s about it.

 

[KATOOM]

Yep. Often times there is more engineering into a stock part than people realize. I would have liked to see how the stock AAM Max Tow cover 74030017 would have done in those tests. Probably would have come in second to the Banks only because it doesn't have the air scoops.

It is interesting to see all the emotion that comes into play on stuff like this. Most of what Banks says makes sense. Air in the oil is bad. Extra oil doesn't make anything run cooler. Flinging around more oil takes more energy which is turned into heat. Its hard to argue with the videos with the clear covers. Would I buy the expensive Banks cover, no. If I frequently towed heavy I might consider the 74030017, which can be bought for less than $200.

I would agree with anyone who believes what Gale Banks had to say.....except that Gale made all his video claims with no proof or data.

On the surface it appears that he was being very scientific about his technical comparisons and research but in reality the only information he provided the viewers was insults critiquing other products, speculation as to what he "thinks" is happening, and what results he chose to reveal giving the perception that his product was better. No actual data, no actual tests, and no actual back to back comparisons.. And in the marketing industry this is called cherry picking and manipulation.

Others can believe whatever they want to believe but I choose to acknowledge that Banks proved in no way that his design was better than anything else out there on the market.

 

[brods]

More oil can make things run more stable, but not necessarily in this situation. Quite simply a larger mass takes longer to heat up and has the ability to absorb more energy in heat form. In the same respect, that larger mass also takes longer to dissipate that same heat, but it’s usually exposed to a larger area than the smaller volume occupied. Not all situations are the same. In my industry the larger volume generally wins the battle every day, but I don’t work on rear-ends for a living. I’m quite fine with the stick cover on my truck. It’ll probably get a wire brushing and paint job on the next oil change, but that’s about it.

Exactly! The shock absorbing effect of more oil, under the right conditions, may reduce the peak temperatures from short, intense heat events, which then could extend the life of the oil somewhat. More oil also might allow for longer drain intervals depending on what drives the drain interval, ie depletion of the oil additives, yes vs build up of particulate, no. Like the industry I'm in (oil filtration), these potential benefits are only realized if the proper testing and analysis is done to safely extend the drain interval. Otherwise it is just throwing money away.

I would agree with anyone who believes what Gale Banks had to say.....except that Gale made all his video claims with no proof or data.

On the surface it appears that he was being very scientific about his technical comparisons and research but in reality the only information he provided the viewers was insults critiquing other products, speculation as to what he "thinks" is happening, and what results he chose to reveal giving the perception that his product was better. No actual data, no actual tests, and no actual back to back comparisons.. And in the marketing industry this is called cherry picking and manipulation.

Others can believe whatever they want to believe but I choose to acknowledge that Banks proved in no way that his design was better than anything else out there on the market.

Just because he is a salesman doesn't mean everything he says is, um, inaccurate, lol. Do you dispute aerated oil is bad? Do you dispute that, all things being equal, more oil doesn't make anything run cooler? Do you dispute that churning up more oil takes more energy? The videos speak for themselves or do you think that they are staged or fake in some way?

How much energy is actually saved in the real world can be debated. Since you don't hear of frequent bearing failures with the flat back covers, it can be debated if any real harm is being done by churning and aerating more oil.

Of course he cherry picked the most impressive data which will show his product in the best possible light. The limited data he does supply in itself is telling, meaning that his product might not be significantly better than the alternatives or he would have published all the data. I don't care about his cover, like I said I would go with the max tow cover if I felt the need. I agree that it would have been nice to see all the test data (and see the max tow cover included in the testing). That doesn't mean he is wrong or doesn't have good points to ponder. YMMV