Ram HD redesign put off again

[Cummins12V98]

"Every 68RFE I have driven seems clunky, always seems to upshift too soon and lugs the engine"

Simply run TH all the time and the 68 is an excellent shifting trans. No lugging and it's always at the right rpm to take off smoothly. You WILL get a bit worse mileage running TH but I really don't care as I like the truck to respond when I want it to and not need to down shift to accelerate.

 

[bcbender]

You WILL get a bit worse mileage running TH but I really don't care

I couldn't agree more, I did not buy another HD truck to whip around and post absurd FE numbers, (Id drive a dsl Jetta for that)
I drive it, the way I like, and dont worry about how much "power" or "MPG" I can achieve... I does what I want, when I want, and I only track FE to keep track of engine health. None of my RAM cummins trucks have historically done better than 9~11 towing and 15~17 empty... and considering what they can do its pretty impressive. (my Bronco and old Ram 1500 have a hard time doing better than 14 period)

 

[lpennock]

I couldn't agree more, I did not buy another HD truck to whip around and post absurd FE numbers, (Id drive a dsl Jetta for that)
I drive it, the way I like, and dont worry about how much "power" or "MPG" I can achieve... I does what I want, when I want, and I only track FE to keep track of engine health. None of my RAM cummins trucks have historically done better than 9~11 towing and 15~17 empty... and considering what they can do its pretty impressive. (my Bronco and old Ram 1500 have a hard time doing better than 14 period)

My 06 3500 SRW w/G56 got better mileage towing my Rock Crawler Jeep Cherokee on a trailer than my Cherokee got running down the road. My 08 is about the same as the Cherokee. Either is more comfortable getting to the wheeling spot though.

 

[GroundSquirrel]

All I want is for the exhaust brake to stay on all the way down until I stop

 

[AH64ID]

All I want is for the exhaust brake to stay on all the way down until I stop

That's not possible with an automatic transmission, but with more than 6 speeds you can get closer.

I hear, thou haven't confirmed, that the new GM 10 speed will lock the torque converter in 1st. The article didn't say how slow it can go locked thou.

 

[Bug Out]

Actually there are 2 companies in the process of building mega chip factories in Arizona. One being Intel and the other being.... a Taiwan based outfit

The Taiwan chip factory IS HUGH.Being built off I-17 at the 303. At least 15+ crane booms in the air at one time.

 

[Minnow101]

Seems odd for a chip plant that is wholly dependent on a huge water supply to be built in a desert.

 

[lpennock]

Water usage is like a swimming pool. Initial start-up is a lot but then most is reclaimed so very little is actually used. Intel is trying to get to net positive water usage in their process.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/04/why...g-water-dependent-chip-plants-in-arizona.html

 

[Cummins12V98]

Just because it's dry on top doesn't mean there isn't water below.

 

[Jim W]

All I want is for the exhaust brake to stay on all the way down until I stop

I can get my 2008, truck's exhaust brake to work to 20 MPH as I slow down if needed. All I do is use the toggle switch to lock out the upper gears thus keeping the engine RPM'S above 1100. This (at least on my truck) seems to be the cutout point as to when the exhaust brake will cut out. This is for the 68RFE auto.

 

[brillmtb1]

Just because it works well doesn’t mean it markets well, and marketing sells. Wether you think the truck needs an upgrade or not, it does from a marketing standpoint. Why else would Ford built an all new diesel for a pickup and stuck with a V8!? Marketing, period.

Really all I hear with repeated, excessively repeated, rants about new trucks not needing to change is jealousy.

I had no real complaints about my 05 until I did, that’s it. It did everything I asked of it, and more. The 18 just does them better. That doesn’t fault the 05, just goes to show that things generally get better with time… as they should. It’s not intended to discredit old trucks, but rather its intended to sell trucks.

At the end of the day any new or redesigned product is intended to sell goods. Your enjoyment of said goods is almost always secondary to their enjoyment of selling goods.

So embrace and enjoy the change, it’s going to happen either way…. These are just trucks after all.

 

[brillmtb1]

Hate to be disagree but there are two things that are unacceptable in my mind. Throttle lag built into programming because they dont trust their transmission and warranty and lacking more than six speeds. My son who is 17 even nailed it when he said to me the truck is hunting for gears towing.....exactly!!!! thats why he got into West Point but I diverge....we need 8-10 gears on a diesel for towing, drivability, for those that change tire sizes, etc etc etc.

And the freaking lag built into the programming is way too conservative. My 03 5.9 could kick my 2017s ass off the line all day and it was more predictable pulling out into traffic. on this note my daughter asked me what was wrong with the truck and she is no nascar driver.

These are obvious flaws

As far as updating in 2027.... I might be dead by then I guess I need to reinstall the tuner on my 2017 and live with it or go to Chevy if they upgrade a few things...

When you pay this much for a truck you should get these simple refinements...

 

[bcbender]

You must not have the AISIN,..... There is no 3rd gen that's beating the 19+ HO trucks in capability and refinement. Had the 04 and maybe "off the line" but that had a NV5600 / HO / 4:10s and would lose a race in towing, capability, comfort, etc every time... No contest, and I have a 2012 2500 with HO / 68RFE... that truck I would agree has too much lag and more than once has left me wondering if Im going to get hit by an oncoming car, but my 20' gets it!! right out the gate and no-one is knocking on my back door.

EDIT ( a 10spd is only going to help you out in slow / low speed operations, as NIsaacs has pointed out previously and while good for checking that box, not a major flaw as many people don't use them like that and the early 3rd gens were only 4spds.)

 

[Jim W]

You must not have the AISIN,..... There is no 3rd gen that's beating the 19+ HO trucks in capability and refinement. Had the 04 and maybe "off the line" but that had a NV5600 / HO / 4:10s and would lose a race in towing, capability, comfort, etc every time... No contest, and I have a 2012 2500 with HO / 68RFE... that truck I would agree has too much lag and more than once has left me wondering if Im going to get hit by an oncoming car, but my 20' gets it!! right out the gate and no-one is knocking on my back door.

EDIT ( a 10spd is only going to help you out in slow / low speed operations, as NIsaacs has pointed out previously and while good for checking that box, not a major flaw as many people don't use them like that and the early 3rd gens were only 4spds.)

My 2008 truck has no throttle lag when I hit the go pedal. This truck will move off of the line easily and I have out accelerated Corvettes from a stop light for the first 20 or 30 feet. I can easily merge when pulling my Cedar Creek trailer on the interstate with traffic.

 

[Regcabguy]

Can't read the article without a paid subscription...... But not hard to believe given the current state of the world. Can't see them redesigning and tooling up when they can't get materials.

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A lot of these these sources want money now to read the story.

 

[DHayden]

Most of the auto "guru" sites these days arent worth the electronic paper they are written on. They dont seem to know simple things that are common knowledge to people that pay half attention to cars and trucks.

 

[KCJackson1]

To be fair, Automotive News has been around since 1925... far from a more recent "guru site". It's considered the bible of the American automotive industry.

 

[DHayden]

I didnt mean to imply them, In general "Auto Journalists" these days that work for many previously credible institutions are ridiculous clueless. Just a general statement for my overall disgust. Didnt mean to offend anyone.

 

[LocoPilot750]

Ive got a GMC Acadia with a 9 speed, To me it's annoying as hell to drive, because it's constantly shifting, never seems to quit until youre up to speed, The 68 RFE has held up fine for me in three trucks, and less is better I think. I like the low rpm power of the Cummins, without having to keep the engine reved into next week like our GMC does. I drive commercial trucks part time, and they have 10 speed manuals, and I really hate those, usually starting out in 3rd or 4th if I can, just to make fewer shifts.

 

[NIsaacs]

Is no DPF or SCR getting close for Cummins?

I was looking at Bobcat and Case compact loaders and both show new engines without it. Kubota still has it.