Stellantis is recalling 317,630 2017 2018 RAM's due to a faulty ABS unit

[Tuesdak]

About time! The "bad brush" problem in the ABS motors finally has a cure. Now anyone want to bet on how long it takes to get parts? I bid 10 days...

https://www.aol.com/ram-recalling-more-300-000-163900864.html

 

[User113]

More like 10 months!

 

[Tuesdak]

You can't make this stuff up! In my email same day as recall announced...

 

[nukegm]

ive never owned a vehicle with so many recalls. even if this one does not apply to my 2018 2500. and my 02 2500 never went to the dealer for anything. now that ram production is probably coming back to the usa ( because tarriffs dont work sarc ) maybe there will be a difference in quality. cheers!

 

[Grumpy8811]

my 2016 has some open recalls. whatever they have mailed me over the years.
I dont give a hoot about the water pump.
or welding the drag link
or the lug nuts
or the tailgate latch
or the Reverse thing
or the other minor bullsnot,

way I look at it is all works and those recalls are open forever..
which means I can wait 10 years and if it screws up they can fix it.

 

[Topzide]

The "welding" on the drag link is the only one that I've not allowed them to do. They're not "certified" in welding at the dealerships. I keep an eye on it and continue to bug them to replace with the updated part!

All the others have been addressed, if you have a failure in one of those areas, and it causes damage/harm to someone, better hold on! You will be at fault for the damages caused! I get a list of outstanding recalls with vehicle registration now. How long before you can't renew with open recalls? Some recalls aren't the fault of the manufactures, just the suppliers of the parts. You could blame manufacture for the bidding of parts, but it comes down to cheap parts being supplied after submitting quality sample.

"It's only as good as the weakest link".

 

[Grumpy8811]

The "welding" on the drag link is the only one that I've not allowed them to do. They're not "certified" in welding at the dealerships. I keep an eye on it and continue to bug them to replace with the updated part!

All the others have been addressed, if you have a failure in one of those areas, and it causes damage/harm to someone, better hold on! You will be at fault for the damages caused! I get a list of outstanding recalls with vehicle registration now. How long before you can't renew with open recalls? Some recalls aren't the fault of the manufactures, just the suppliers of the parts. You could blame manufacture for the bidding of parts, but it comes down to cheap parts being supplied after submitting quality sample.

"It's only as good as the weakest link".

like they say with the drag link... five out of one hundred thousand might have had stripped threads.. and Mopar's 1/2 baked solution was to tack weld it.
My solution was to crawl under my truck and check it myself.
it is tight and the threads are in good shape..

as far as the water pump goes, truck is 9 years old now, I replaced WP myself figuring the time and fuel I waste going to my dealer wasn't worth the 50 bucks the pump costs.
the rest of the stuff is nonsense... but they sure do warn me about it, about once every 3 months it seems I get something in the mail.. LOL.

 

[Ozymandias]

I have the impression that many of the recalls today are just BS. This one to it seems from what I read.
If they keep doing such stuff the trucks will cost 200k soon.

 

[Tuesdak]

I have the impression that many of the recalls today are just BS. This one to it seems from what I read.
If they keep doing such stuff the trucks will cost 200k soon.

Maybe they should Do It Right The First Time rather than making time to Do It Over. You keep wanting other's failures to do their job including R&D to come out of OUR WALLET!

Yes, some of the recall "cures" are BS rather than fixing the root of the problem. On the other hand the RAM Cummins CP4 recall stands above what Ford Or GM did for their customers from a supplier failure. At least GM quit using Bosch's CP4 on the 6.6L.

This brush failure in an ABS unit... Having suffered the dangerous "release the brakes" early GM ABS systems... Still last time I had to do a hard stop in a non-ABS vehicle, 20+ years ago, the back end was coming around in a van. This isn't a BS recall.

The failure here is TAKING SEVEN YEARS and a Government Gun to their heads to fix a known safety problem with ABS units not lasting. You can read about many who bought an older ABS unit just for the motor with non-problem brushes and did "brain surgery" on their ABS unit. Parts not available long before the recall didn't help. I suspect these will be mainly be "rebuilt" ABS units with new motors only.

I will be surprised if this recall goes any better than the other recalls with limited parts availability. My expectation is Very Low after the V06 recall and raising hell with FCA to get the updated part so I could get the truck aligned later in the vehicle's life. Yeah some cures are BS. At least the V06 had an ultimate better fix available.

I just hope the ABS recall can be done on mine before the known to fail ABS unit does indeed fail.

 

[Diesel85]

Maybe they should Do It Right The First Time rather than making time to Do It Over. You keep wanting other's failures to do their job including R&D to come out of OUR WALLET!

Yes, some of the recall "cures" are BS rather than fixing the root of the problem. On the other hand the RAM Cummins CP4 recall stands above what Ford Or GM did for their customers from a supplier failure. At least GM quit using Bosch's CP4 on the 6.6L.

This brush failure in an ABS unit... Having suffered the dangerous "release the brakes" early GM ABS systems... Still last time I had to do a hard stop in a non-ABS vehicle, 20+ years ago, the back end was coming around in a van. This isn't a BS recall.

The failure here is TAKING SEVEN YEARS and a Government Gun to their heads to fix a known safety problem with ABS units not lasting. You can read about many who bought an older ABS unit just for the motor with non-problem brushes and did "brain surgery" on their ABS unit. Parts not available long before the recall didn't help. I suspect these will be mainly be "rebuilt" ABS units with new motors only.

I will be surprised if this recall goes any better than the other recalls with limited parts availability. My expectation is Very Low after the V06 recall and raising hell with FCA to get the updated part so I could get the truck aligned later in the vehicle's life. Yeah some cures are BS. At least the V06 had an ultimate better fix available.

I just hope the ABS recall can be done on mine before the known to fail ABS unit does indeed fail.

Reminds me of the EcoD CP4 recall...

These ABS units are pricey.

 

[Ozymandias]

There is not a single reported accident from this failure - everything man made can fail - what do they expect? All vehicles had their problems, and always will.
Here we replace 300'000+ units because 7 failed? This is nonsens.
If we proceed that way we won't get vehicles at all because no one can guarantee the millions vehicles produced to be free of problems for 10 years to come.

That recall stuff is out of control.

 

[Grumpy8811]

There is not a single reported accident from this failure - everything man made can fail - what do they expect? All vehicles had their problems, and always will.
Here we replace 300'000+ units because 7 failed? This is nonsens.
If we proceed that way we won't get vehicles at all because no one can guarantee the millions vehicles produced to be free of problems for 10 years to come.

That recall stuff is out of control.

this^
the safety weenies and attorneys are in control of the asylum
ever wonder why if your ABS light is on, your cruise control and your 4wd disable themselves?
my BIL is a retired engineer who worked at GM all his life.
At some point in his career he became the go to door guy because at some point all he did was test stuff that went into doors..
you think of it, they have a test for it.. and then stuff you never thought of has to be tested
just to prevent some of the most unusual stupidities the end user can manage.

 

[Grumpy8811]

Reminds me of the EcoD CP4 recall...

These ABS units are pricey.

at the retail level they sure are, but at the factory level they probably cost 10 dollars each.

 

[Ozymandias]

at the retail level they sure, but at the factory level they probably cost 10 dollars each.

I don't think so, there is a lot of high-tech precision parts in it.
But sure it doesn't cost 1500$...

Parts prices are anyway also out of mind.
Was just looking for a replacement backup camera for my Durango- they want crazy 750$ for this little thing.
No way, a 35$ p-n-p Aftermarket came in, works great.
I love OEM but there are limits..

 

[Grumpy8811]

I don't think so, there is a lot of high-tech precision parts in it.
But sure it doesn't cost 1500$...

Parts prices are anyway also out of mind.
Was just looking for a replacement backup camera for my Durango- they want crazy 750$ for this little thing.
No way, a 35$ p-n-p Aftermarket came in, works great.
I love OEM but there are limits..

give you a story... back in the day my Brother the Engineer worked at GKN.( big company nobody ever heard of that supplies the whole world with Half shafts),
and my uncle had a Dodge minivan and needed a half shaft.. Dealer wanted 500 bucks.. Uncle asks brother.. Brother gets him a new half shaft at manufacturer sale price for $40
and you know GKN is selling it at a profit to Dodge at that 40 dollar price.. so when I say the factory price, it might be 1/100th of the cost they retail the thing for.. unit cost at their level might be so miniscule it seems like a misprint,, but you have to be on the inside to know.

fleet I worked at had purchasing agents. I told one of the new guys to change the air filter.. New Guy says it looks pretty new, why do we change these when they look clean, says they cost about 90 dollars at the truck shop.. I tell him we dont pay sh!+ for this stuff.. curiosity rears its ugly head, I head to stock room and ask the stock room supervisor if he can find out our purchase price for a Donaldson Air filter #xyz... sure enough $18 dollars. and we are buying them from a wholesaler, not the manufacturer.. markup on some of this stuff is insane is my point.

 

[AMink]

Hopefully the fix isn't to weld it. I'm fighting with them now over the drag link.

 

[User113]

I have the impression that many of the recalls today are just BS. This one to it seems from what I read.
If they keep doing such stuff the trucks will cost 200k soon.

Recalls like this one? The U.S. government agencies are totally out of control! (Hope that's not too political for those with sensitive skin...)

 

[Diesel85]

Recalls like this one? The U.S. government agencies are totally out of control! (Hope that's not too political for those with sensitive skin...)

Not at all too political. I'm sure politics will be referenced when writing up the next TDR magazine article about it. No two ways about it since it does involve our government.

I really wish there was a way to draw a line in terms of a boundary on recalls.

Now I'm not saying that the ABS module shouldn't be deemed a recall, but why so late for such an important mechanism? But there are recalls out there that make no sense being recalls, especially when one has turned wrenches before.

 

[Tuesdak]

There is not a single reported accident from this failure - everything man made can fail - what do they expect? All vehicles had their problems, and always will.
Here we replace 300'000+ units because 7 failed? This is nonsens.
If we proceed that way we won't get vehicles at all because no one can guarantee the millions vehicles produced to be free of problems for 10 years to come.

That recall stuff is out of control.

That's not a good way to look at it. That's 7 cases that are not under a Non Disclosure Agreement because after a wreck a good attorney... Our system doesn't do so good for the victims and what little it does for them is hidden preventing safety for others by NDA's. Maybe this problem is getting fixed WITHOUT DEAD BODIES PILED UP!

There are other ways this could have been solved. Courtesy replacement when it failed. Silent or public longer warranties on it. Or a voluntary recall.

Instead there were no ABS units available for replacement! The ones that were apparently also failed early. This compounded the problem forcing drivers/operators to make a poor decision of operating a vehicle with a ABS warning light on or parking it. A jury can find the driver Negligent for operating a vehicle without properly working brakes. (That the ABS unit is a key part of.) Those not ignoring the lights aside of parking it or using Lemon Law had to find older ABS units and transplant motors with older better brushes into their ABS units.

At the end of the day there was an investigation that found the ABS life wasn't up to standards. Supplier change of a small part that unreasonably shortened the life of a key safety system. Funny how it was corrected for 2019+ model production instead of left as "So what parts fail".

 

[Grumpy8811]

when an ABS unit malfunctions, you still have regular brakes.. which is what you drive with almost 100% of the time.

is it possible someone can sue Stellantis because of a malfunctioning ABS system and getting in an accident? Yes, because McDonalds lost a lawsuit for selling Hot Coffee... this is America after all and it is always someone else's fault that something bad happened.