04.5-05 Juice w/ Attitude Questions

[JaMan]

I have seen two different trucks with the J w/A and neither shows more than 33psi boost on the Attitude. One truck also has analog gauges and they show 47psi at the same time. Is the Attitude set up wrong?



Also for those with 05 G56 owners how is the clutch holding up and what about anyong running a Hot Juice?



Thanks Jared

 

[JVolpe]

That is a good question. I have recently been seeing some of the same type of variation between my Attitude and the Autometer Ultra-Lite boost gauges. It could have been this way all along. I meant to call Edge Friday and ask. I will call them Monday and see what they say. Mine is not quite that large a variance, but enough to make me questions the Attitude's accuracy. I don't see any noticable variance in the other Attitude readings, compared to the dash quages. My guess is that the Attitude boost is reading what the ECM is seeing after being fooled and not the true boost.

 

[RChamberlain]

The most I see is 35 psi on my additude.

 

[MRosinski]

I also cant get the attitude over 35psi in lev 5. BTW in lev1 I will hit 34psi. Even lev 0 will put out 32psi. I think my next mod will be analoug gages. They are alot more acurate.

 

[JaMan]

Rchamberlain what transmission do you have? And do you see any slippage?

 

[RMarkey]

My guess is that the Attitude boost is reading what the ECM is seeing after being fooled and not the true boost.

I think you're right on that, the computer will backdown if to much boost is detected, that's why sometimes when people put on a exhaust and intake, they actually see lower boost levels. The boxes fool the computer so it doesn't cut back the turbo boost. I may be wrong, but that's what I've gathered by reading around.

 

[JVolpe]

RMarkey,



I agree that is what is probably happening. I have also read that the MAP sensor can only realiably read 39-40psi of boost. The real issue is that the Attitude has a Boost Max setting that gives the impression of being able to backoff at certain boost levels. I believe that is not possible from what I have saw. My Autometer boost gauge will hit at least 42psi and the Attitude is reporting somewhere around 35-36psi. I assume that the defueling on the EGTs would work since that is a physical pyro sensor it is reading. But it kinda makes some of the Attitude suspect at best and useless in some cases.

 

[MikeBeggy]

My attitude has been messed-up since day one. The Edge people said don't worry since they cover it for 2 years. I blew the plastic intercooler on mine and I had been seeing boost numbers of 38 psi regularly. I went to the dealer to have the boost checked and I figured 10 psi over stock no warranty on the intercooler. As most of you know from the published compressor maps for the 05's, it's not possible to get over 30 psi from a stock set-up. Anyway, I drove the truck with my local dealer rep and the factory diagnostic tool plugged in. I varied the Edge from level 1 to 5 and he read the true boost as reported by the trucks computer. It indeed would max out at 28 psi under the highest settings on the Edge,not the 38 psi I was seeing on my display. My visit bought me a new all metal intercooler and added another bad reading to my list of Edge issues. So far, the Edge won't check trans slip, torque converter lock-up, goes bonkers about every 30 days on barometric pressure, defuels under certain load conditions unless I have all the protection circuits turned off, and reads 10 psi high on the boost. I would gladly change to something else if I could get my $750 dollars back. I figure I'll let as many people as possible know what as piece of junk it is and maybe cost Edge 10 times that much in lost sales. Hopefully, as I have used this forum to find good products some of you will use my feedback and not give your money to Edge.

 

[RMarkey]

I hope mine doesn't do all that, or not do it. I'm not worried about the intercooler because I already have the metal one, but I just got my Juice/attitude. I haven't heard many other complaints about the edge stuff so I'll hope mine does fine. I also already have a boost guage so I'll know the actual boost anyway.

 

[JVolpe]

Mike,



Sorry to hear the problems. If I did not like the way the HOT Juice and EZ stack feels I would probably already had a TST and BD Power Pup or Triple Dog now i guess. After I get the FASS and turbo installed I will see if I get the HP I want out of the combo, if not then I will have one for sale. Since I am adding the FASS, SPS66 turbo, the trans is already done and I have my own gauges, I dont really need the monitoring or gauges, but it is very irritating that they dont really seem to all work like advertised.



RMarkey,

Do compare the boost reading on the Attitude and your other gauge. Mine are about the same until about 32psi, then the Attitude just kind of slows and never really goes above 36psi. My Ultra-Lite goes to 42psi and stays about there on WOT.

 

[nauidvr1]

I have the same issue with the Boost on both trucks. I never see over 33 PSI of boost (at Sea level) on the Attitude (I don't have mechanical gauges). I have been having the Juice backdown (defuel) 1% at 31 PSI and up to 4-5% at 33 PSI and that is with all the defueling thresholds disabled. I have never had my trucks see an EGT above 1175, so it is not defueling on high EGT's.



I have been talking with Edge but they are stumped and can't tell me why there product is defueling both my trucks. I was supicious about the readings that they get from the ECM. Heck, DC gives us a BS oil pressure reading, why trust any other reading they give the ECM. The only one I trust is the pyro cause that is a real hard wired/installed sensor.

 

[CLAYTON]

Are people using a 35psi gauge or a 60psi analog gauge to determine the boost in comparison to the attitude? I read on here one time that towards the higher end of the 35psi gauge when it's maxed out it's not as accurate, but with a 60 psi gauge it will read closer to the true psi. Any truth to this? If you have your attitude set at 36psi for the max boost then it will start backing down around 30 and increase backing down the higher the boost gets. If you turn the max setting up say to 40psi then you will see higher boost on your attitude. At the same time your analog gauge will also read higher if its a 35psi gauge meaning the needle goes past the 35psi mark and down to the 5 or 6 O'clock position (Autometer). I have nothing but good things to say about Edge. If I have ever had a problem they have resolved it. IMO Edge costumer service is fantastic. It's a great product that's made right here in the USA

 

[JVolpe]

I have the Autometer Ultra-Lite 60psi boost gauge. It show the normal 32psi max boost in completely stock form and higher with boost fooling boxes. I believe the Ultra-lite is pretty accurate.

 

[CLAYTON]

I would like to swap my 35 out for a 60psi... Anybody want a 35psi gauge?

 

[Hokey]

I have mine set to defuel at 36 but have seen up to 40 on my autometer 60 psi gauge . Attitude seems to be lagging behind on reading a little but seems to catch up?Puzzling...

 

[CLAYTON]

Will altitude play a factor in accuracy of the attitude seeing that it's connected the the map sensor compared to the anolog gauge that reads it directly? Will they be closer at sea level then say at 10,000ft??

 

[RChamberlain]

Rchamberlain what transmission do you have? And do you see any slippage?

I have the nv

 

[RMarkey]

I was under the impression that altitude shouldn't matter. I have the 60 psi gauge since my truck stock was already hitting about 32 psi, that and when I told them @ diesel manor what truck I had, they said I'd need the 60psi.



I'm just waiting on being able to get my truck to the dealer to get some stuff done before I put my juice in.



Is the Hot juice a big differance over the reg juice? I don't have many bombs yet so it's not like I really need the high end yet.

 

[Hokey]

I was under the impression that altitude shouldn't matter. I have the 60 psi gauge since my truck stock was already hitting about 32 psi, that and when I told them @ diesel manor what truck I had, they said I'd need the 60psi.



I'm just waiting on being able to get my truck to the dealer to get some stuff done before I put my juice in.



Is the Hot juice a big differance over the reg juice? I don't have many bombs yet so it's not like I really need the high end yet.

Only in the highest setting and it definatly is wouldn't recomend trying with stock clutch etc and make sure your defueling parameters are set. I tried it once and defueled 60% thank goodness saved my components.

 

[RMarkey]

Only in the highest setting and it definatly is wouldn't recomend trying with stock clutch etc and make sure your defueling parameters are set. I tried it once and defueled 60% thank goodness saved my components.

So the Hot Juice just ups the hp to the next level? Level 1 is usually 25hp but on the Hot it's the 40hp setting, and so on. Then the level 5 jumps to 180hp, right. (which I won't use for a while anyway) So does the hot just up the hp, or does it include pressure to up the numbers? Or can it still be stacked later for even more? (With more bombs and transmission work of course)



I ask because my Juice is still the version 1. 0 and if I need to have it upgraded to the 1. 1 to avoid problems anyway, why not do it all at once? Makes sense to me, it will just take more self control, which won't be that hard, hopefully.



Is the boost elbow just in the older models kits, I didn't get one and don't think it would have fit it that little box anyway.



Also, in the form it says: "This form must be included with your returned Juice module and “RMA 2000”(only for Hot Juice upgrade). "What is the "RMA 2000"? I wish I could do these things during the day so I had some brain power left and might figure out the answers to my own questions, but, thats why we're here for each other, right? Lucky for me!