'05 Auto with e-brake?

[PLaFrombois]

Has anyone heard if the '05 can be reprogramed to accept the e-brake? I don't think there was any change between transmissions from '05 to '06 except the computer program.



Thanks



Paul

 

[jwduke]

Paul, did I understand, the '05's computer doesn't have enough memory to run the e brake?

 

[Sled Dog]

Paul, did I understand, the '05's computer doesn't have enough memory to run the e brake?

No, Its the 04. 5s.

 

[mpwalker]

I have a Jake brake installed on my 2005 48RE and am waiting for the new software that will allow it to work. A dealer told me it could and installed it on my truck and then called me to tell me they had read the parts info wrong and it will not work on my truck or at least not now. Have been told the transmission is fully equiped to handle it however the software has not been developed by Cummins as of this date to make it work. Have had serveral people tell me that it can be wired to work in a manual mode but it would mean being very carefull on how and when to use it, plus Chrysler told me that it could void the warranty on my truck. So here I am waiting for Cummins/Chrysler to come up with the fix which some say will not come until early next year if at all. My experience with Cummins has been excellent with these issues for their engines over the years and believe if Chrysler puts the proper priority it will get done and work well like the other Jake Brakes I have experience with. Keep the pressure on your local dealer to let Chrysler know we want and need this for the 2005's.

 

[jelag]

Chrysler can't void your warranty on your truck. . them might exclude coverage of the automatic transmission and damage to it.....



What you need to do is learn about the aftermarket kits that are available for your transmission that will hold the torque converter pressure up while the truck slows down... . normally when you take your foot off the throttle the computer allows the fluid pressure to fall off in the transmisson... . creating shear conditions on the oil in the torque converter causing heat..... and loose of the ability to transmit the energy from the rear wheels to the engine... . thus allowing the exhaust brake to do its work. .



Look at 2 or 3 of the aftermarket vendors of these products and install one on your transmission... . they all use a small computer that follows the rpm of the engine and when the rpm gets to a preset level they release the pressure allowing the transmisson to coast. . and the torque converter to slip... .



If you need some specific help let me know... We offer one... and BD has one and I'm betting that Banks has one as well..... They all function well... . are seamless once installed..... but you might be your own warranty station when it comes to transmission problems.....



OTOH if your not happy, ask your dealer to take the exhaust brake off and refund your money... after all, from your post, you made the buying decision based on what they said... . they can't follow through, so have them remove it... .



Hope this helps...

 

[mpwalker]

Wish it was that easy, first they said they would charge me the labor to take the brake off, second they would give me the brake because once installed they could not send it back and get any money back. My truck had been at the dealer for 3 days already and service manager was mad because of the mistake which in turn made the mechanic mad because he was blamed for not checking the installation manual before install which clearly stated not for 2005 auto's. I did talk them out of most of the labor for the install then felt it was best to get my truck out of there before something else happened to it. Also my research showed that there is hope in the future that Cummins/Dodge will have the software out to support it, if not, still could have someone else that was not mad hook it up using options you have talked about in your post. Chrysler said that "any engine or transmission problems that could be related to the installation of the brake could void my warranty for that part of my truck". Since we travel all over the county as fulltime RVers did not want to give another dealer a reason to give me a hard time when needing service somewhere. I guess it is like going to the Doctor always get a second opinion before doing anything major to your truck. It has been a hard lesson for me however there is still hope it will someday turn out ok.

 

[jelag]

Well, there are several Dealers that I know about who install exhaust brakes on automatics with the correct modifications and don't seem to have a problem with covering the systems... .



Best of luck... . you seem to have your mind set... .



jim

 

[BHolm]

Wish it was that easy, first they said they would charge me the labor to take the brake off, second they would give me the brake because once installed they could not send it back and get any money back. My truck had been at the dealer for 3 days already and service manager was mad because of the mistake which in turn made the mechanic mad because he was blamed for not checking the installation manual before install which clearly stated not for 2005 auto's. I did talk them out of most of the labor for the install then felt it was best to get my truck out of there before something else happened to it. Also my research showed that there is hope in the future that Cummins/Dodge will have the software out to support it, if not, still could have someone else that was not mad hook it up using options you have talked about in your post. Chrysler said that "any engine or transmission problems that could be related to the installation of the brake could void my warranty for that part of my truck". Since we travel all over the county as fulltime RVers did not want to give another dealer a reason to give me a hard time when needing service somewhere. I guess it is like going to the Doctor always get a second opinion before doing anything major to your truck. It has been a hard lesson for me however there is still hope it will someday turn out ok.

It is as easy or as hard as you want to make it. Sounds to me like you have let them dictate to you what will happen and who will pay. YOU are the customer. I assume YOU were the one who bought the $40,000 truck from them as well. In my book this is cut and dried. Either you want the brake in working order and have the appropriate aftermarket controller installed, or the dealer removes it and refunds ALL of your money. At what point did they convince you that this was somehow your fault? Did you force them at gunpoint to install it? If not, they are COMPLETELY liable for this fiasco, not to mention demonstrably incompetent. Charge you labor to remove it? Can't return it? That is total BS and you get what you deserve for letting them push you around.



I wouldn't fear an aftermarket controller, lots of guys run them with no problems. I wouldn't buy into the no warranty BS either. Believe it or not, you are holding all the cards here. Tell them what you want in no uncertain terms. Be fair, but this was their screw up, let them eat it.

 

[PGreenleaf]

Paul I dont blame you for getting the truck out of there. Fighting with the incompetent dealer is a no win situation. You wanted the brake and you got it on there ,so keep it on there. As you said you do a lot of running around , Just find out from the boys on here where theres a dealer that will install the needed equipment to make it work correctly. Take a trip go there get it done . If its going to void the warranty then wait till its out of warranty then do it. You'll be running that truck many miles after warranty is off , so you will see a benifit then . Dont take it off.

 

[jwduke]

No, Its the 04. 5s.

Figures... ... ...

 

[byoslandry]

TDR Issue 49 covered the CDT exhaust brake. Basically, the 05's transmissions had the hardware modifications done versus the 04's and the ECM has enough computer memory, but Dodge was still playing with the software. Dodge didn't know when they will have the software available.

IMHO, Dodge's thinking is why rush software when they have the 06 out. Also, IMHO, Dodge doesn't really care about last year's customers, only current year customers from my own personnel experience regarding the exhaust brakes. I was sold an 04 saying that exhaust brakes would be available in two months and could be installed by the Dodge dealer. At the time, I took their word on it and later found out this was BS. I complained to Dodge and to the dealer, of which both said they relied on each other's information. What a crock of BS.

So, fight for yourself and don't believe anything the dealer or Dodge says unless they put it in writing which neither of them would do when I asked them too.

I will sell my 04 when I see the 06 with the exhaust brake has all the bugs worked out as mountain travelling with a 12K 5th wheeler ain't no fun without an exhaust brake installed by the factory so the warranty won't be voided.

I have learned an expensive lesson (the cost of my 04) and that is not to believe the dealer nor Dodge unless they put it in writing first. At this time, Dodge has it in writting about the 06 with the factory installed exhaust brake. They can't get out of this now and I really wish this factory exhaust brake is worth the wait.

Byron

New Orleans, LA

 

[cwomack]

Jim: Am thinking about getting an 06 diesel with a 6 speed. Got a price from a dealer in Petaluma, CA yesterday--to install the Jake Exhaust Brake: $1,326. 33 plus tax (saw an eBay price of $1,000) and $960. 00 labor to install--about $2400 out the door. Do you know anything about the Pacbrake product? Does the manual transmission also require software or not? The cab control for the brake is different depending on whether you have a manual or automatic, I believe. Can a shade tree mechanic do the install himself? Has this install been posted to this site? And are you a working mechanic? How about pyro? Chris Womack (SF area, Ca)

 

[ramjet]

I was looking at the 06's today and the local dealer install option on the Jacobs brake was $1900, approved brake, parts, labor, reprogramming, and warrantee.

 

[fzrace]

I have had my o6 with the 48re since the 10th of this month. I installed the e-brake myself. It wasn't technicly challeging, but space is tight under the hood compared to my 95. Instructions are good with plenty of pictures. Plan on spending a full day doing the install. The hardest part is changing the serpentine belt.



This is my first exhaust brake and I love it. It works as advertised. I never turn it off as the ECM takes all the thinking out of it.

 

[JRMora]

Jim: Am thinking about getting an 06 diesel with a 6 speed. Got a price from a dealer in Petaluma, CA yesterday--to install the Jake Exhaust Brake: $1,326. 33 plus tax (saw an eBay price of $1,000) and $960. 00 labor to install--about $2400 out the door. Do you know anything about the Pacbrake product? Does the manual transmission also require software or not? The cab control for the brake is different depending on whether you have a manual or automatic, I believe. Can a shade tree mechanic do the install himself? Has this install been posted to this site? And are you a working mechanic? How about pyro? Chris Womack (SF area, Ca)

cwomack:



I bought my Pac from Jim - under $1000 delivered to my door (free shipping to TDR members), including shifter switch & air tank. I installed it myself in about four hours using basic shop hand tools and not rushing it. The install was straight forward, the instructions (from Pac) were very clear, and the one question I had Jim answered the next day for me. I think you can download the install instructions from Pac's website (www.pacbrake.com)



Overall I am very impressed with the Pac brake. The other benefit I gained was an underhood air compressor for the brake, my air bags, and my (future) air horns. The Jake uses an add-on vacuum pump.



Many here use the Jake brake, and I am not knocking them at all (t's a good product and it's made by Cummins for the Cummins), but for the $$, I chose the Pac. I am happy with it and there are many here who are happy with it as well.

 

[JRMora]

BTW, here's in install guide for '03 and up Dodge Cummins applications from Pac's website:



http://pacbrake.com/PDF/L2032.PDF



Juan