05 fuel additives?

[smd]

Cummins and my "Dealer" say that in the `05 CTD they DO NOT need any fuel additives to help with lubricity the fuel pump. The dealer said that many additives could do more damage than good. We all know that over the years, sulfur has greatly been reduced for cafe standards. I have friends how swear by redline 85 and some use stanadyne performance formula. Who do you listen to?

 

[Dieselnerd]

I use Power Service in my '05. It's a Cummins, maybe the "Cummings" doesn't require any. My manual says not required, it doesn't say don't use. I want to keep my pump lubed and my injectors clean. Listen to the people on this forum if you want good advice on keeping your truck running.

 

[Hokey]

I use Power Service in my '05. It's a Cummins, maybe the "Cummings" doesn't require any. My manual says not required, it doesn't say don't use. I want to keep my pump lubed and my injectors clean. Listen to the people on this forum if you want good advice on keeping your truck running.

Still using Amalgamated here and will continue to do so.

 

[BILLUA]

I have heard that it is not necessary on a CUMMINGS, but on our 3 gen truck with a Cummins engine, it is not prohibited, so many of us run it as extra insurance.



Best, Bill

 

[Cattletrkr]

For lubricity I run a B5. B2 is better than old sulfur laden fuel. I'm currently running PS "Diesel Kleen" just to try and improve minleage. It ain't working. Aditives are overrated. Use them whenever you feel like it. Not neccessary to run them every tank.

 

[rbattelle]

I generally agree with Cattletrkr - that additives are overrated. However, if you think about the specific wording of the fuel additives part of your owners manual it says something like: "... if you buy good quality fuel there is no need to use fuel additives... ". Now, what does "good quality fuel" mean? And who gets to define "good quality fuel", you? Cummins? The dealer? The fuel supplier? How do you know if you are using "good quality fuel"?



I think that additives can take fuel of "questionable quality" (and I think all fuel is of questionable quality, especially with respect to lubricity) and make it "better quality" by boosting lubricity (among other things). I don't think additives can improve fuel economy by any measureable amount. They may make the engine run a little "better" if they include a cetane boost.



These are purely my opinions. Many people will disagree.



-Ryan

 

[LRosi]

You guys need to get some Lubepro Super Diesel Plus IT WORKS!!!! Check it out on there web site. It does everything they say it does I'll run nothing but. If you need more Info let me know. Larry

 

[Dieselnerd]

Hey smd, don't let our little jokes about "CUMMINGS" make you feel shy about posting again. We all like the Cummins here and usually give a little ribbing to those that say Cummings. I notice you are a newer member and don't have many posts. Welcome aboard and feel free to give it right back to us. We are a bunch of jokesters but will gladly help anyone who needs advice. :-laf

 

[Heavyweight]

Power Service (Diesel Kleen) in the silver bottle. You can purchase this at Walmart. Or stop by Autozone, they sell Power Service as well as RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst. Both are good products.



Your next reply should be how much do I add to the tank? Oo.

 

[KKlepfer]

I use stanadyne lubricity formula. cheaper than performance formula. Im mainly concerned about lubricity when it comes to a common rail high pressure system.

 

[jimnance]

As the oil companies transition to ultra low sulfur diesel there is a question as to whether the needed lubricity additives are being added yet. As I understand it, the ULSD needs lubricity additives to restore lubricity lost in the refining process. The problem seems to be that the guys at the rack thought the refiners would put the additives in, and the refiners thought it should be added at the rack. I'm not sure if this issue has been sorted out, but for piece of mind I use an additive with lubricity agents to be good to my pump and injectors.

 

[bighornram]

I bought a drum of B100 (Blue Sun) and add about 5 gallons per fillup. Lubrication is one of the many qualities of Biodiesel.

 

[RSeverance]

I used Marvel Mystery Oil in my '01. Couldn't say for certain that it helped my mileage any or prolonged pump life, but I had the truck for 135k and it was the best truck I've ever owned :{ . I am just hoping that my 05 will be ever bit as good

 

[smd]

Hey heavyweight, that is the next ?, so how much should I use. Thanks Mark aka smd.

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

common sense tells us that everybody wants to make money. don't expect fuel to be any better than it has to be. don't expect a few ounces of additave mixed with gallons of fuel to do a damn thing except make the people who produced it glad to get your money. a lot of money is made by making false claims and in such a way that it is believed. fuel itself is a lubricant of sorts. the pumps are designed to work for a very long time just on diesel fuel alone. my 98 12 V has 97,000 and all I do is have the valves adjusted and the pump calibrated when I feel it should be done and I did have marine injectors put in. I runs great pulls at least 5,000 maybe more like it was an empty trailer. My truck will out live me.

 

[rbattelle]

common sense tells us that everybody wants to make money. don't expect fuel to be any better than it has to be. don't expect a few ounces of additave mixed with gallons of fuel to do a damn thing except make the people who produced it glad to get your money. a lot of money is made by making false claims and in such a way that it is believed. fuel itself is a lubricant of sorts. the pumps are designed to work for a very long time just on diesel fuel alone. my 98 12 V has 97,000 and all I do is have the valves adjusted and the pump calibrated when I feel it should be done and I did have marine injectors put in. I runs great pulls at least 5,000 maybe more like it was an empty trailer. My truck will out live me.

And what about this?

A 98 12v has little relationship to the common rail system in use on 3rd gen trucks, particularly in the area of component tolerance to contaminants and lubricity sensitivity. What I'm saying is, what's good for a 98 12v (or a 98. 5 VP-44 truck) is NOT necessarily good for a 2003 CP-3 truck.



-Ryan

 

[Edgemann55]

Ryan you are so right. With our injectors and the low sulfer fuel there is no way I would run my 2005 without additives.

 

[KD7GYJ]

I run Diesel Kleen at every tank to keep the injectors clean. Without it, the injectors plug up and start making some racket. The added lube is a bonus.



Blair

 

[Buffalo]

In my opinion, what rbattelle has to say is "right on the money"!!!



At May Madness, this year, we were treated to a seminar given by the Las Vegas, Bosch Fuel Injection shop. He see's these fuel delivery systems come through his shop, daily, and see's the trends and common failures. There shop sells Stanadyne products.



What was interesting was that he said that if you don't like Stanadyne, for some reason or other, by all means, use some additive with added lubricity.



One of the stories he told was when Bosch Headquarters notified all their repair facilities, especially the ones in close proximity to a military installation with jet aircraft, that serious problem were occurring. It seems that jet fuel (very-dry diesel) that didn't meet the military's exacting spec's, was being distributed to the public for local diesel fuel consumption. Not enough, if any, lubricity additives were being introduced into that jet fuel destined for our use. They were noticing a lot of premature failures.



The Bosch rep. went onto say that we that are living near the west coast, and parts of the country using ULSD, should, definately, be using a lubricity additive, at the very least.



Regarding the use of additives that improve cetane, he went on to say that if you don't notice a performance increase and/or a fuel economy increase, you can get away with just a "Lubricity Formula", which, is usually cheaper.



Personally, I've chosen to go with Primrose Powermaster 405 because, it is very highly concentrated, has everything in it, and is more economical to use, for me.



Hope this helps.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[AMassaro]

What about the guys who use their used engine oil for an additive. I haven't done it yet but it doesn't sound like a bad idea as long as you filter it first. Anyone here do that?