05, Vgt????????

[GWoody]

Stopped at a turbo shop today to pick up a 16cm housing for the ol 91, this place is a holset dealer as well as other brands. I got to visiting with the guy and just out of curiosity I asked how much it would cost to get the turbo rebuilt if I ever needed it on my 600. He didn't know so he called holset and asked about a new cartridge for a 04. 5 Dodge cummins, they told him they didn't have any cartridges available for the new VGT going on the new trucks!!!!!!! I told him to tell them this was not a Ford it was a Dodge, they said 04. 5, is that correct?

He said yes it was built in Jan. 04, they said "Oh, well that won't be the new VGT those are going to start in June".

Don't know if there is anything to it but I thought it was interesting to say the least. Oh yeah, complete new turbo for the 600 from a holset dealer runs about $650.

 

[RankRam]

Hmmmmmm, very interesting.



Thanks for the info.

 

[nickleinonen]

Hmmmmmm, very interesting

indeed...

 

[EEngel]

VGT on 600

GWoody,



What difference is there in the VGT and the turbo that is currently on the 600?

 

[GWoody]

What difference is there in the VGT and the turbo that is currently on the 600?





It would be the V in VGT as in V stands for, "Variable", similar to what is on the Turds, uh I mean, Furds, oops, Fords.

 

[XcumminsX]

anyone make a aftermarket vgt that would work on my 03... Im thinking its probably expensive but hey i can dream. . Ill admit the vgt turbos on the fords are cool. .

 

[JHayward]

Must be the rumored 720 lb. ft. version of the ISB...

 

[JHayward]

The June 2004 issue of SAE Off Highway Engineering lists the QSB as 6. 7L, (the 4 cyl as 4. 5L). QSB is the industrial version of the ISB. Does this indicate a displacement increase as well??

 

[thejeepdude]

Man I hope this rumor is true! It would be nice to see a larger housing on the 600, which they haven't done because they want to keep the snappiness off the line... VGT is best of both worlds, and I think this version of VGT will be much more long-term reliable than F*rd's. Oo.

 

[XcumminsX]

hmmm



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2481363344



http://www.ndperformance.com/projects/evrt/



looks like this guy says it isnt too hard to get the ford 6. 0l turbo to work on other applications... Wonder how hard it would be to get it on our trucks?

 

[HEMI®Dart]

VGT is not a direct bolt-on.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...9&perpage=15&highlight=VGT turbo&pagenumber=2



Written by Piers:





"There are several things that need to be done to make them work on our engines. Need an adapter to mount them to the manifold, the less expensive models are air actuated, so air compressor and tank, they are water cooled, so some minor plumbing, then we need to build a control module that tells it what to do based on several inputs, boost, throttle position, rpm of the engine, rpm of the turbo. One extra feature of this turbo is that when you drop it down to its smallest size & force more air into the pistons it will act like an exhaust brake. The Holset engineers estimated about 150 retarding hp, I'll run some tests and see what we get out of it..... maybe the worlds

 

[thejeepdude]

One extra feature of this turbo is that when you drop it down to its smallest size & force more air into the pistons it will act like an exhaust brake.

Hmmmm... so they'll HAVE to certify the 48RE for exhaust brake for '05 when the VGT's come out (fingers crossed)!

 

[mattymac]

I understand that VGT's work well at high and low ends of the rpm range but their effieciency range is pretty small compared to any similar sized turbo out there. Look at the 6. 0's, I dont believe chipped that they are running at 30 or so plus pounds of boost at max. Our little 35s can move more CFM than there VGT, our limitation is backpressure caused by the tiny exh housings. Look at holsets website it compares their VGT's to all of their standard turbos.

 

[thejeepdude]

Originally posted by mattymac

Look at the 6. 0's, I dont believe chipped that they are running at 30 or so plus pounds of boost at max. Our little 35s can move more CFM than there VGT, our limitation is backpressure caused by the tiny exh housings.

But you're missing the point... with VGT, that means we have all the electronics and VGT controls to run one of these... or a piersefied variant of that or even the HE500, but I think that might be overkill for my application. However, 50-60 psi with VGT for still decent spoolup without having to run twins. . I'm there [eventually when my lotto ticket wins]. Oo.

 

[WAdamsIII]

I have one of these turbos. It is electrically operated. This turbo is probably going to be on a future EGR engine. I have 2 Cummins powered Peterbilts that employ much larger VGR turbos. Response is very good ,40lbs in half a second at RPMs around 1200. Any way the turbo I have is a Holset HE341VE. Dont know much about it. Maybe I'll stick it on my old 1992. I'm new to TDR so forgive me if I dont do all the right things on this reply

 

[steveinaz]

holeset vg

interesting link;

http://www.holset.co.uk/flash/index.html

click on product technologies and then variable geometry

 

[WilliamJones]

Renewal time for this thread, I just picked up a 5. 9 ISB that came out of a 2005 GMC Topkick, and it has the Holset VGT installed. I am not sure how I am going to make all of this work when I install it in my 1999 GMC 3500 HD, but it should be fun.