06 Charger Daytona vs 12 valve!

[ChrisTucker]

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/ts/tt/turbofactsbenifits_turbobenifits.htm



http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/en/products/advantages.asp



http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm/printable



http://www.lextreme.com/turbo.html



http://www.usturbo.net/mnuValueAdded.aspx?selection=5



Rman, these are just the first 5 links that pop up when you enter " Turbo high altitudes" in a search engine. If you want to make a ******* contest :-{} out of it, Yes there is some loss in high altitude esspically when you are talking of high end racing engines but in the case I am not wrong. Please read the links and then enter the phrase in your search engine and spend the rest of the night learning. :-laf

 

[glhs]

There is a noticable loss to spoolup and power @ elevation.

If I remember correctly when Flechter, Hoss and Rhonda came down from WA for 2004 Truck Fest, they were about 4 to 5 tenths slower in the quarter.

I have taken my truck to IL and TN and it spools up much faster, with less smoke and a lot cooler pyro. You can feel it!

I think I read somewhere a turbo engine losses about 1. 2% per thousand feet vs 3% for a naturally aspirated engine.

He may not have been racing as hard as he could have been, but from what I've seen around here, he probably was! :-laf

Kurt

 

[FFL8N]

OK, so who was it in the HEMI? Todd T or ChrisTucker? Just wondering?? LOL

 

[Smokin_Monster]

Gotcha! 3 points for me none for you! It's now halftime. This is the NBA on ABC! What do ya think of them apples?!

Sorry, I just had a Phil Hendrie moment there! :-laf





As far as the altitude thing I did notice with my stock turbo I got about 8 more pounds of boost in Vegas than I do in Idaho or Utah. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Rman]

How are you not wrong when you say that altitude changes ONLY effect NA engines? Explain that one to me. Oh and thanks for the grammar school links. I'm not arguing the fact that having charge air at altitude sure as hell helps, I'm agruing the fact that you claim there is no difference. There sure is, ask just about anyone that actually uses their vehicle to perform with.

 

[Rman]

So in theory, If I typicaly see say 30psi of boost for 100% of throttle, I should see 35psi at 6000feet?



And the reason for this is the air is thinner, thus easier for the turbo to spin to a faster RPM (thinner, less-massy air, less friction)

It's the other way around. You see less boost at altitude because there is just less air density, but the air is easier to pump. All vehicles lose power as elevation increases, turbo'd and superchaged vehicles don't exhibit as much of a loss. Volumetric efficiency goes down in both cases, hence the power loss.

 

[JasonCzerak]

It's the other way around. You see less boost at altitude because there is just less air density, but the air is easier to pump. All vehicles lose power as elevation increases, turbo'd and superchaged vehicles don't exhibit as much of a loss. Volumetric efficiency goes down in both cases, hence the power loss.

yes... ... ...

 

[biggy238]

but the air is easier to pump.

LOL i'll have to remember that...







I can't say anything about the new hemi engines, but I haven't been impressed with the older truck models.

I rode in a 77 ford 4wd 400 4spd that pulled and pulled hard on a hemi. I didn't think it would be done either but it happened. because one of the trucks just so happened to be under my ***...



I've seen other hemis fall on their faces too... Could be the motor. . could be the driver.





I guess what i'm saying is, yes, there are some that are fast, and some that are just worthless... . Kinda like racing cummins engines. Some just don't move that well. Others are just awesome.

 

[DMcPherson]

I havent messed with one in my truck, and havent seen a charger really go, but therestons of magnums around me and im not really impressed. from what I read on the charger it has a very limiting limited system that is propriatary to that model making them come out slow and accelerate somewhat slow based on traction. I have played with diesel trucks in my area. its not really fun anymore. but you have to remember that my car makes 400whp and wighs 2400lbs. I even surprieed some kid in a first gen viper. but back to the point, the charger is totally different and i have no doubt that with what is done to that truck that it is faster even from a dig

 

[Todd T]

I wasn’t calling you an idiot I was referring you to the likeness of one is in driving LIKE one.



Point 1: Duramaxes and Flowerpokes are Slow

Point 2: Sled pulling and drag racing are like water and oil. Since you’ve been pulling for three years in a stock class truck, welcome to the big leagues and good luck keeping it together next year.

Point 3: See first sentence of point 2



Comment 1: Cant drive theirs? considering in the past 8 months you've destroyed a stock clutch, two 5spd trannies, an exhaust housing all with just the a #10 plates horsepower you leave me no doubt about your abilities. Besides, your race does not add up. You claim to have gone from 0-65 around a corner in 2nd gear. Add to your past history that you’ve only had your new found HP for what 3 months? I think your account of the race is a bit discountable and imaginative at best.



In drag racing you usually line up side by side and race a pre-designated length in a straight line. I wouldn’t classify driving like an idiot around a left hand turn lane and then proclaiming you won, a real race.



Personally, my first thought if you were beside me doing this, would have been this “idiot” is going to lose it, hit me or kill someone. And I have let off and change lanes to avoid you. Sound familiar? Should we take a poll?



Dont worry young jedi, I’ve spread the word around the SLC area and you should expect to see the rear of an LX platform car out of the next stoplight (provided it’s not a turn lane. Baaaahaahhaa) and if you race one that is still stock, I do expect from you, to run them down and catch them by the top of fourth gear. If your 0 plate and EGT’s don’t melt you down by then.



BTW: 0 plates are like mullets, we all see them and silently laugh at the nice person stuck in the past.

 

[Smokin_Monster]

Point 1: Duramaxes and Flowerpokes are Slow

This is just an ignorant generalization. Some are, others are not.

Point 2: Sled pulling and drag racing are like water and oil. Since you’ve been pulling for three years in a stock class truck, welcome to the big leagues and good luck keeping it together next year.

I wasn't compairing the strategy of drag racing and sled pulling. I was comparing winning to winning regardless of horsepower. Horsepower is not everything in either dragracing or sledpulling. There are stategies involved however different between the two.

Point 3: See first sentence of point 2

OK

Comment 1: Cant drive theirs? considering in the past 8 months you've destroyed a stock clutch, two 5spd trannies, an exhaust housing all with just the stock horsepower you leave me no doubt about your abilities. Besides, your race does not add up. You claim to have gone from 0-65 around a corner in 2nd gear. Add to your past history you’ve only had your new found HP for what 3 months? I think your account of the race is a bit discountable and imaginative at best.

Where you got your information confuses me. Who said anything about destroying all of that in 8 months? Try over 2 years and 240,000 miles. Yes I have made my mistakes in the past and learned from them. The stock clutch went out with the first transmission because it developed a pretty good leak and drainined itself of oil and melted the inputshaft and bearings and part of the clutch. The replacement transmission was a bad rebuild. The current transmission has been great. The exhaust housing was a stupid mistake on my part yes. But none of that was with stock horsepower. Unless 358hp/913ft/lbs is stock.

Now the race. This was a very gradual left hand turn and about 400-500 feet long then straitened out and went up an overpass. I did not do 65 in second gear I was in 4th. Theguy in the Charger did not change lanes until we approached the next stoplight. When I hit 65 at the top of the overpass I looked in my rearview mirror and he was right next to me but about a half a car length behind. He was not trying to get away. We had to back off because the next stoplight was at the bottom of the overpass. He knew he had been beat and obviously did not want to go another round.

In drag racing you usually line up side by side and race a pre-designated length in a straight line. I wouldn’t classify driving like an idiot around a left hand turn lane and then proclaiming you won, a real race.

Ok, so this wasn't an "official drag race. " It was a spontanious street race. Given an entire 1/4 mile, perfectly straight and similar track conditions he might just have beat me. I'll give you that much. Rocky Mountain Speedway is not too far away and I am up for the challenge!

Personally, my first thought if you were beside me doing this would have been this “idiot” is going to lose it, hit me or kill someone and let off and change lanes to avoid you. Sound fimiliar? Should we take a poll?

Let me remind you He was driving 60-65 too!

dont worry young jedi, I’ve spread the word around the SLC area and you should expect to see the rear of an LX platform car out of the next stoplight (provided it’s not a turn lane. Baaaahaahhaa) and if you race one that is still stock, I do expect from you, to run them down and catch them by the top of fourth gear. If your 0 plate and EGT’s don’t melt you down by then.

BRING IT ON!

BTW: 0 plates are like mullets, we all see them and silently laugh at the nice person stuck in the past.

Just like all the 3rd gens are laughing at you. ? Are you worried that a big single charged 12 valve might be as good or better than your expensive, twinned out 24 valve?

 

[Smokin_Monster]

I drive my truck about 10,000 miles a month. I think I know how to drive it!

 

[Todd T]

a simple search and some reading up on you has told me these things. You leave diesel "newbie" debris all over this place.



For example: you earlier asked; What about all the sledpulling trophies I have? Were the others not really pulling? Some of them dynoed higher than I did or am I just an idiot for thinking that I won because they handed ME the trophy? Hmmmmmm?d;



This was entertaining to read:

Rocky Mountain Pullers Association is having a truck and tractor pull in Burley, Idaho June 11th. We need more diesels to compete! Last year me and a Furd were the only diesels to show up. I out pulled him by 90ft. . Twice! We need more competion. It's not as fun when you get a trophy by default! :-laf If anyone can come out please do. Thanks.

sounds EXACTLY like they just handed you the trophy. That was what last June when you were still stock except for the 0 plate and half worn Luk clutch? this accounts for two of your trophies. how many more do you have or should we say, competed for? (competed used very losely)

 

[TReed]

I know where to come when I want to see grown men act like a bunch of kids, just my opinion.

 

[Todd T]

I know where to come when I want to see grown men act like a bunch of kids, just my opinion.

Not so sure He's grown, but I'll admit i'm guilty of it



Just for the record the "race" was around a corner, UP HILL and to 4th gear.



Score: Diesel truck:1, Gasser:0



I'll knock it off now!

 

[TravisG]

BTW: 0 plates are like mullets, we all see them and silently laugh at the nice person stuck in the past.





HEY!!!! I got a 0 plate. And you made it!!!!



Hows it goin Mr. T. gotta get that 2 wheeler out to Gateway this year.

 

[cahammer]

Todd T Look In A Mirror And Say Ya I See An @$$ J/k We Are All Just A Bunch Of Kids With Dreams Of Wanting To Be The Best And Then We Wake Up And Realize We Are Still A Bunch Of Kids

 

[Smokin_Monster]

sounds EXACTLY like they just handed you the trophy. That was what last June when you were still stock except for the 0 plate and half worn Luk clutch? this accounts for two of your trophies. how many more do you have or should we say, competed for? (competed used very losely)

That pull was 2 years ago. Last year (05) there were 4 of us 2 Fords two Dodges. I took first, the other Doge(That I modded) took second by 6 feet and the two Fords were over 60 ft behind.

Another example, check the Dynos of the people in the Under 8000 Street division; all but 2 Dynoed higher than me; one of wich didn't dyno. The person who took 1st was supposed to be in the Over 8000 Street Division but was the only one so they bumped him down to under 8000. 3rd's not too bad given the competition. Shows to go ya that power isn't everything!



05 Bully Dog Dog Days of Summer



I can go on but I won't. Yes my worn out Luk is starting to take a toll on the trophies. But I have 5 trophies from a total of 10 pulls. Not all of them are 1st place but 3 out of 5 are!



Besides I thought you said Sled pulling and drag racing are like water and oil.

 

[Smokin_Monster]

I know where to come when I want to see grown men act like a bunch of kids, just my opinion.

I guess if standing your ground when being called a liar or just full of BS, is being a kid then yep, I am still a kid!



Besides, life would be boring without a little debate here and there. :-laf

 

[CDyksman]

Robertyoke,

S. L. C. is not 6000 ft, but 4200 ft.