'07 "operational mechanics"

[mlewis73]

Was wondering... what is a particulate trap, and what are the implications for us when we buy new trucks next year?



How often must they be changed? How much are they going to cost? Etc.



Thinking of holding off on my purchase till '07 or '08, unfortunately. Can't swing it this year.





Mike

 

[nickleinonen]

what is a particulate trap, and what are the implications for us when we buy new trucks next year?

the particulate trap is a single stage oxidizing catalist on the cummins equipped trucks from 04. 5-present [600 series engines].



they shouldn't ever really go bad, but they can get plugged up, but nothing some heat won't clear up [to burn it clean]



they cost like $800-$1000 usd or so from what i hear

 

[rbattelle]

the particulate trap is a single stage oxidizing catalist on the cummins equipped trucks from 04. 5-present [600 series engines].

Nick, I don't think that's quite right. 600-series trucks have a catalyst, but I don't think that qualifies as a "particulate trap".



I thought a particulate trap was more of a filter (ie non-catalyst) that actually traps particulates in the exhaust stream and stores them somewhere. I presume, then, that the trap would need to be emptied occassionally. Not sure what one does with the contents, if that's the case.



Anyway, I've heard they are extremely expensive (thousands). Here's a bit of an article about them...



-Ryan

 

[jwduke]

I know one of our owner-operators had to replace one on his '06 International w/Signature 600 Cummins, and he said if warranty had not paid for it, it would have cost hin $3,500. OUCH!

 

[FATCAT]

I know one of our owner-operators had to replace one on his '06 International w/Signature 600 Cummins, and he said if warranty had not paid for it, it would have cost hin $3,500. OUCH!

Sounds like the diesel powered truck will be too costly an item for all but the very few in the near future. I can see many diesel owners now switching to gas trucks in the next 5 to 10 years.



These new pickups will probably be $10K + more than comperable gas trucks.



I would think if one were looking at a new diesel pick-up in the next year or three, GET IT NOW! Even if you can only put down $5K ... becasue I bet the 2008/2009's are gonna be in the $55-58,000 range.

 

[rbattelle]

Sounds like the diesel powered truck will be too costly an item for all but the very few in the near future.

What a shame. But it will make the market for used 12v, VP-44, and 2003-2006 trucks very hot!



-Ryan

 

[betterthanstock]

The trucks (I believe pickups too) do not have to fully meet the 07 standards for a few years (4 ??), and from what I read on the net on manufacturers' and EPA sites, they have two options. Bring half the engines into compliance right away, or bring all engines half way into compliance. The latter I believe is what most manufacturers plan to do. That means that some of these expensive devices may still not come into use until 08-09. By that time price will drop.

 

[FATCAT]

The trucks (I believe pickups too) do not have to fully meet the 07 standards for a few years (4 ??), and from what I read on the net on manufacturers' and EPA sites, they have two options. Bring half the engines into compliance right away, or bring all engines half way into compliance. The latter I believe is what most manufacturers plan to do. That means that some of these expensive devices may still not come into use until 08-09. By that time price will drop.

How about bring ALL of the EPA officials involved in this scam to the gallows and drop them through a trap door in the floor ... that would be the best solution. They are going to destroy an industry that is as American as Apple Pie and cold beer.