Competition 12V's with N2O

[Dockboy]

If you guys want to get down to brass tacks the big dogs of the "diesel world" are not running nitrous.



Big dogs being: Watson, Crowder, Haisley etc. (anyone here making more power than them?)

I guess if you don't pull a sled you are not part of the "diesel world"

 

[jwilliams3]

:-laf :-laf Mission accomplished.

 

[BigBadDodge]

I think, not totally sure, that I am the only one out West here who DOESN'T use Nos in my class. It can be done in sled pulling and these guy's are sucessfull with it.



BBD

 

[JHellmann]

If you guys want to get down to brass tacks the big dogs of the "diesel world" are not running nitrous.



Big dogs being: Watson, Crowder, Haisley etc. (anyone here making more power than them?)

When it comes to spinning your tires in the dirt... ..... yea they do pretty well.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

Gene... ... . showing your limited IQ again?



With that way of thinking... . what would you call bigger turbo's, twins, bigger injectors, bigger injection pumps,water injection..... Hell you name it... ... . Wheelchairs?



I say we all just go back to NA Detroits and call it a day



You could take solice in the "I'm on diesel only", but bottom line is you still got your butt handed to you wether it was done with Nitrous or Corn Flakes :-laf

LMAO! what he said!!!



tubos are a crutch!!! p7100's are a crutch!!!! head studs are a crutch!!!! traction bars are a crutch!!!!

 

[JasonCzerak]

The thing I hate about Nitrous is that in the long run, you're going to pay an infinate amount more $$$ to have the same amount of street fun versus just getting a bigger/set_of_twin turbo(s).



How many runs does a 10lb bottel net? Say 200HP set of jets (jets that make 200hp in a diesel that is. )



At about $50 per 10lb bottle here in MN.



I suppose on track-only non-daily driver setups, this wouldn't apply all that much.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Jason it all depends on how you want to look at it. Twins are not cheap, even if you build your own like I did. Lets say turbo's are going to be $3000-3500..... no this is not retail, then an external gate is $400... . call it 500. Piping, clamps, hose... . misc parts, then there is the $2000 tig, chop saw (band saw does better) ect, ect..... it adds up to allot in the long run.



Now look at a single and it's bolt on application, doing the O-ring on the head is going to have to be done on either at sometime.



WAY back when I built my first set of Twins in the fall of 02' the B-1 was the only bigger single available that you could punish, but I refused to pay retail (2 grand with a downpipe) for it so I spent that in parts and built my first setup (had the tools).



Now move forward to today and say to yourself I want to make say 850-1000 hp, what will it cost. On #2 is going to cost you $10,000 minimum. Now buy a SPS 66 or a Silver Bullet (my choice) and a N2O system. Your looking at what $3500.



It all just depends on were and when you want to spend the money. I have spent countless hours working on Twins dealing with clarences, leaks, and misc issues so don't think there trouble free.



Can't say I won't try something new or go back to Twins but someone is going to have to meet me half way, I think I've proven my point in the HP hunt. It's just like I told Brady Williams (I. I. ) back in 04' when he sold me my Injectors! If you deal with me then I'll promote and support you in every way... . and the deal was done.



I know of another so call vendor that missed out on this because he was afraid I was going to let his secrets out, even though I had a set of his injectors in my hand... ... how silly! Remember MM 04's numbers and D/FW two weeks after that..... bingo!



Jim

 

[JasonCzerak]

You're right on there. Thoses costs numbers are better for over all HP. You can apply the rest of the money for N2O or other parts to make it all work.



But if I had N20 on my truck as a daily driver. I would hit the button just to make a pass in the left lane Just cuz I could. See where it would definitly cost me more long run?

 

[fest3er]

When it comes to spinning your tires in the dirt... ..... yea they do pretty well.

It seems one o' them 'big dogs' is doing OK on the pavement too, now: 7. 55/183. And drug-free.

 

[smokinrod]

If you guys want to get down to brass tacks the big dogs of the "diesel world" are not running nitrous.



Big dogs being: Watson, Crowder, Haisley etc. (anyone here making more power than them?)

But then just IMAGINE those trucks on drugs :--)

 

[jwilliams3]

Looks like Scheid is top dog on the dirt and on pavement??

Whaddaya think helman?

 

[DavidTD]

You guys are too funny... :-laf



And Garmon made 1055 with stock motor. Single HTT SP66, stock head, milled pistons, stock cam, his injectors, and Dan's 13mm P-pump.



When it comes to racing, you do what is the best HP per dollar. By the looks of Pro Street, I think we know what that is. Nobody gave up on diesel fuel but when the rules say you can make the same power for less money why not?

 

[JHellmann]

You guys are too funny... :-laf



And Garmon made 1055 with stock motor. Single HTT SP66, stock head, milled pistons, stock cam, his injectors, and Dan's 13mm P-pump.



When it comes to racing, you do what is the best HP per dollar. By the looks of Pro Street, I think we know what that is. Nobody gave up on diesel fuel but when the rules say you can make the same power for less money why not?

My point exactly.





Williams you take spelling lessons from Comp?

 

[jwilliams3]

Joe the misspelling of your name worked perfectly... . :-laf :-laf

(if you dont like the "whaddaya" think slang part too bad )

There is a difference when someone uses slang to lighten things up or misspells things to aggravate people, but when you just plain don't know how to spell, there lies the problem.

 

[BigBadDodge]

Lot's of teachers here grading posts, we need to get over the miss spellings on all threads IMO



BBD

 

[Sled Puller]

Its as simple as right and wrong.



The rules allow you dragracers to use it.

Thats fine.

Its still wrong. :-laf But great entertainment!!



Could Jetpilot and Dockboy please post how many times they have scattered parts by using this wunnerful majic exfexer? Oo.

 

[BigBadDodge]

wunnerful majic exfexer? Oo.

You just got an "F" and will be repeating the same grade next year!!!! :-laf



BBD

 

[zstroken]

I guess I am not understanding the $10000 to get the 1000HP with twins and it is so much cheaper to do it with nitrous statement. I am not there yet, so maybe that is the problem. I would think $5k would get the twins to move the air, assuming most fab work is self done. Tig??? We used all metal in ours. LOL But that is a good excuse to buy one Now streetability could be an issue, Garmon hitting the 1000HP mark with the HTT charger, that would be a fairly streetable truck. The other thing is I hate to agree with sleddy, Dynoing, drag racing, and sled pulling are similar, but different. How long would a Dana 70 last behind a 1000HP sledpuller??? Granted your putting 2. 72 times the torque thru it, as a drag racer or dynoer would. I give it 3 feet tops. Drag racing is hard on trannies. What are the dynoers trashing??

 

[Sled Puller]

400HP is hard on a Dana 70. What are the dynoers trashing? Only head gaskets when they keep snorting more of that nose candy!!!



The dyno guys on this board are so short of legitimate power, and since the Jets do not load the vehicle, they aren't breaking anything.

 

[Timbeaux38]

I have laid eyes on a few 650 HP single turbo 12v's out of GA. We have seen one of these Dyno 1055, and another be the 1st into the 9's when you add squeeze. There should be three 9 second trucks in Atlanta- All on a single and spray. I'd be tickled to have a 650 hp daily driver and then be able to turn the wick up at the track. I used to think like Gene, but I have changed my feelings on the subject. :-laf Does that mean I'm a drug supporter? Maybe So.