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1989 Hits 355 hp

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Do you believe a 1st Gen at 355?

  • Yes, no problem

    Votes: 48 71.6%
  • Must have nitrous

    Votes: 3 4.5%
  • They all make that much, nobody ever says though.

    Votes: 7 10.4%
  • It is P- pumped, with twins,no way can a VE do that.

    Votes: 9 13.4%

  • Total voters
    67

Vin code C or 8?

Should I?

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I read that yesterday and all I can say is CONGRADULATIONS!!! I hope it's all true. It would be nice to know that our trucks still have some potential. I'm sure a few of us (nascar mark for one) know it's possible to get to 350hp or more if we spend enough time and $$$$$. :)

BTW I voted for "They all make that much" I couldn't resist. :D :D :D
 
What was the post regarding a few days ago about Nascar Mark running on the dyno with a borrowed motor from Piers? From what he said, it had a set of POD's and that was the only performance enhancement and made somewhere around 305 horsepower. I know that custom work can be internally done with the VE and that a larger head and rotor can be installed on them, but that guy said that his pump had nothing done to it. I'm sure some people have had some good horsepower numbers and have been backyard boys but not everyone's making 355 horse. With that much horsepower he's making less than 800FT/LBS torque. Torque outta be higher than that, he may very well be running nitrous. We'll never know unless he tells us what exactly's been done to it.



BTW, Gene I didn't get to talk with you at Waterford. I got there about an hour before the sled broke. When It broke I saw you leave. I saw a red truck with sledpuller.com on the back and then realized that it was you. There were lots of trucks there weren't there? I couldn't believe the # of Cummins powered rigs. It was massive, I only saw 4 fords that were pulling/going to pull and 3 had 6. 9's in em. other was a newer powerstroke.



John
 
I was not a happy camper.

With the size purse they had, they really should have had a back up sled, considering it was an old wreck, anyway.

Yes, a lot of trucks,Muncie and Scheids are the only others pulls I have seen that many Diesels.



$500 to win draws some people.





There was a lot of power sitting in the pits, it would have been a good show.

Most of the open trucks were running twins--at least.



They did say they have rescheduled for May 4th.



Nice tailgate, eh?;)
 
OK, so,... ... . if it was p-pumped with twins, 355hp is rather pitiful :( If it's running nitrous, what's the hp gain from the nitrous? Looks like just fuel and air... ... B1 turbo..... but where's the fuel coming from? I don't doubt at all that it's running a VE pump. :D



Sean
 
Sure it's possible. All it takes is some fuel, air, and compression, right? Even if you didn't know some tricks you could still have a nasty set of injectors and a big turbo... Wouldn't be very useful though. It would take a lot of money to build a reliable high hp first gen that you could tow heavy with.



Mike
 
The fellows name is Brian Block.

We've chatted by e-mail a few times and he was about 300 hp at the time with a Hx40. Brians numbers are #2 only as NOS would be over 400 hp I'm sure.

He added custom inj and a Kwik Spool B1 turbo since than, so I can't see why he wouldn't be at 355 hp.

We've got a friendly competition now as I know with a PDR HX 40 I can match his 355 hp and with custom inj that we have sitting on the shelf will up that even more. Add a PDR HX 50 and say bye bye. :D

400HP #2 ONLY IS POSSIBLE.

:p
 
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How do we get there?

I've got the POD's and the HX-40. What's next?

Port the head and install the ATS three piece?

Piers cam?

Are you running the second gen intercooler yet?
 
Hey Mark- Whats the story with the custom injectors? Is this something you are working on or PDR. I'm becoming more and more convinced that injectors are the best area of improvement but with the relatively small 1st gen market who's going to do it.



Jay
 
Originally posted by sgriffing

I've got the POD's and the HX-40. What's next?

Port the head and install the ATS three piece?

Piers cam?

Are you running the second gen intercooler yet?



Those parts would be nice. Specialy the cam. No I'm still using the stock 1st gen intercooler.





Originally posted by jbolt

Hey Mark- Whats the story with the custom injectors? Is this something you are working on or PDR. I'm becoming more and more convinced that injectors are the best area of improvement but with the relatively small 1st gen market who's going to do it.



Jay



Just a set of inj that were made up for testing. Didn't really get to test them much as they were a little too smokey for the street. Twins would have cleaned them up nicely though.





Originally posted by Sled Puller

Is, and was. ;)

Piers needs to catch up, he is neglecting the First gens. ... .



Think so Gene,

I think Piers has looked after the 1st gen crowd pretty good if you ask me and I know dozens of owners that would back me on this one. ;)

Who is helping us under sized pump owners that you know for daily driven trucks?

I haven't seen anyone else put aside time and space (let alone one of his few days off ) for 1st gen owners that I know of. Maybe I'm wrong on this one, and if so please tell.

As far as needs to catch up, I wasn't aware of Piers stating PDR was the leader in the 1st gen race. :confused:

Piers has been gracious enough to let me use the shop/tools/parts and some man power to improve my truck without asking for nothing. I worked off the parts not because he asked for anything but because I thought it was right of me to do so and as a added benefit learn more about the diesel trade.

I was later asked to test some parts and give them a good work out, which I did. I was asked to give my honest opion and results, good or bad. No sugar coating, just real facts. Took some time and changes but I believe he got it right.

As far as me pushing for higher hp and any posts on the site by me, is just that. Me.



My posts and views on the sites are mine and not PDR's.
 
Ok, ok, before this becomes "... . oh ya, your mom wears army boots... . "



If you'll allow me what ever credibility I may have around this ranch... .



First off, the moderator hat is on the chair in the other room, are we clear... . :D

This is MY opinion only, and is NOT the opinion of or by the TDR, period. . !!

I think I'm about to use up my goodwill opinion credit in the TDR opinion bank, or atleast stretch the newly granted option to voice more personal opinions. .



We have recently seen that the general perception of 1st Gen limits are just that, perceptions... ...

Mark, along with a couple others have shown that...



Gene, I'm sure that there are folks out there who have achieved just as much and maybe more... . but I haven't heard it. . which does not mean it isn't true.

Lately, I've been pleasantly surprised to see more guys dropping in, helping, and offering thoughts and ideas... VERY NICE TO SEE...

Your accomplishments speak for themselves Gene, no question.

So do Marks, and KTA Cummins (Brian)



For those who operate under a misconception, the 1st Gen guys are ahhh. . to be diplomatic. . a little frugal with the $$$$ ;) ;) :D

Some out of necessity, others for their own reasons, not the least of which is putting big $$$ into a truck that is 10 -13 years old is kinda hard to do.



I can assure most folks that the performance business is very fickle... based on first hand observations. .

Piers has spent $$$, time, supplies, support, information, tips (some may be known in general) but still... he has offered the use of his shop, his tools, his mechanics, Louise has been a great hostess under all conditions.

One day I was just kicking around the idea of having a bit of a 1st Gen Bomb day in my driveway, or someone's driveway ... the next thing I know our friend has heard about it, stepped up and offerred his shop, his time, tools, etc etc. . and both he and his wife said they did not want to be selling anything, just hosting.

It's been the only one of its kind that I know of...

They did some KDP's, some timing jobs, pump tuning, and more, not to mention 4 whole darn turkeys in the deepfryer too... .



I for one would welcome some others to help with the load that he and his company/crew have been providing. They are doing this on a budget, as many companies must do... I'm sure he has gone OVER his budget in many cases.

No one is turned away, whether they are spending money or not. .



Gene, I am not looking at the "glass is half empty" side of your comments... I think you're above that personally. I suspect it was a bit of teasing mixed with some encouragement, at least that's how I choose to percieve it...



Mark, you, like me have seen the quiet behind the scenes help and support from PDR that has been pretty much free flowing. It's pretty hard to miss.



Are there others out there who are working on 1st Gen specific stuff to help us out... I honestly don't know, please tell me if there is because they deserve recognition too and I'll be the first in line to speak up...



So to be fair, I'd luv to see others involved in this group who work together on a level rarely seen in other groups... this is a first class bunch... without exception !!!!!

Never any scrapping, or complaining, just encouragement, and that includes the folks at PDR !!!!.



I also remember that DD had some "kits" left over that were made available for fairly low cost too... I didn't miss that 'gift' either...



Lets be sure to park the pride and emotions guys, I won't have scraps on my watch... I hope that's why you chose to have me moderate this group. .



Thank you Piers, for your personal help and support/encouragement to ME, over the last couple years, even when I wasn't spending cash, which was often... and thanks to the whole darn bunch of your crew too. .



Joe D. has dropped in and offered some info, tips, and a bit of behind the scene support for a couple members BTW...



Have you guys noticed that we are seeing some of the more well known folks in here... . maybe because they'd like to help, or maybe because there is no scrapping and folks with chips on their shoulders in here... whatever the reason I'm glad they are coming in and helping out. .

Proof,,, just look at some of the discussions and the level of experimentation that has happend in the last few months... some of it has been off track based on the experiences of others who have "been there and done that" and some of it, very informative.

So far I haven't seen one person or company ask for money when it came to giving tips or help in hitting new levels...

Now if I could just figure out were mark hides the blower he's using to hit those numbers... . ;);) I wonder if he has those dogs of his in the canopy peddling their butts off... . :D



bOb.
 
When was the last time you called a diesel shop or dealer and asked a tuning or performance question and got a answer? And just to make it interesting, make it an honest answer. How many shops will "lend" you a turbo just to try it?

Piers is a class act, and good people.



Now about these HP numbers. I think Mark has the right idea. Any boasting should have a witness. Plus I would like to see numbers that reflect the HP as you drive it everyday. Not just cranked up just for the event.



As far as being helpful, BOB, you need to take a bow here. I haven't seen ANYONE post more helpful replies or technology than you. Granted, you don't have a big shop and shelves full of parts, but you give more in the way of information and pictures.



No, we first genners don't have a lot of money to throw at our trucks so we do the best we can with what parts are available and modifying the rest ourselfs.



Like Piers, Lenny at DDP in Monroe is one class act also. All you gotta do is call or stop by and he will help you in every way he can. If you have a glitch, he can dyno it and find it for you or tell you what to look for.



One thing I have noticed about first genners. We don't use the "censored" word here. Plus we don't get into the pi##ing contests like in the other forums. We, as a group are willing to help each other to make more power or get better milage. Even if and when I deside to get a new truck I will most likely keep my first gen just so I can stay in this forum. All of us should feel good about ourselfs as we are a good bunch of people. Ever see a second or newer gen truck got out in the middle of the night down some goat trail with a foot of mud and pull a friend out from where he/she got stuck?



I rest my case





Dave
 
I'm curious about something here.....

When it comes to things that could be classed as 'tips, tricks, secrets' etc, would you pass it along to other members even if it resulted in your having achieved your "personal best" in terms of performance or dyno HP, or whatever???

Would you keep it to yourself but give "hints" for others to do some digging in the right direction??



Now I know many have already done so in terms of tell all and hints.

I also know that there are a couple things I'm working on that I have not discussed yet... . because I won't be responsible for saying something that might kill a members truck. I wouldn't be very happy if someone did that to me, and I won't do it to others.

(That's one reason I held my tongue on the gov spring till I had run it for a while. )

Maybe there is little left to be kept secret after all this time.

I will not be surprised if guys like mark or brian have already figured them out and or dismissed them as "non-starters".

In fact there are still one or two things I need to confirm yet, but I don't think they are dissasterous issues.



So, would you "tell all" or keep it to yourself ??



Just curious. .



bob.
 
I for one will share everything I have done. Providing I can remember it all. A lot of little stuff. Plus I have offered to help anyone with stuff they don't have the tools for. But a lot of this requires they bring the rig to my place (BOB). Or I can bring my stuff to a work party.

I have no secrets. But until I can proove to myself that something works, I won't say anything in fear of someone trying it and it causes a failure.

I used to proffesionally drag race and crew chief on a nascar late model sportsman. We always had secrets. But I'm not doing that anymore so it's an open book.

Even my porting on motorcycles is not a secret. If someone wants to copy my work, go ahead.



Dave
 
Originally posted by Sled Puller

HOLY COW!



One thing I have learned from reading the First Gen forum-- First genners like to post novels.



KTA needs to catch up too..... ;)



I have learned(seen it before too) that many feel if it is not on the TDR, then it is not real.



Just my $. 02

:)
 
I just want to second the dirt road coment. I have had my 1st gen about 7 months. It is a clean regular cab 4x4 and about once a month someone walks up and asks if I want to sell it. No joke... These trucks are as popular as ever and the other question I am asked is what have you done to it ???



. . But the one thing that amazes me is the level that 1st gen owners or former owners are about as freindly as they get and will walk up and start a conversation about the truck no matter where you are. We dont drive them for prestege or for show we use them and work them as a real truck. Almost everyone I run into is amazed that mine doesn't have a gooseneck in it and wants to tell me how much they have towed with theirs and brag on the fuel milage and the miles they have on theirs. I have seen some beautiful trucks with over 300k on them and still going. .





So next time you see another 1st gen say hi and you might learn somthing... .
 
Here here - In my time the only sources of truely reliable information that I was willing to try on any of my vehicles, be it a big block Demon or a inline-6 Cummins, if from folks that have been there and done that, are not afraid to 'post' their results, and are willing to openly tell how you how they done it so I can go off and try it. I bought my 93 CTD based on two things: My love for old-school Dodge trucks, and the Cummins reputation. I know of no one that would buy a big block 78 power wagon with 216,000 miles on it as a 'new' daily driver. But we're fortunate to have rigs that sem to be virtually bulletproof, get great mileage for their size, and require nearly zero unscheduled maintenance. The power potential has been realized by a select few who really know their stuff and back up their word, and that is very respectable no matter who it comes from. I don't have the resources to get up into the big numbers, and that's fine with me - I just like to read about it all and enjoy the commentary.

My hat is off to everyone in here. If you're on this particular site then you are probably interested in preserving these old rigs and continuing my life-long passion for restoring old stuff. :) I have asked some strange questions because of the looney stuff I try, and find out it's not only no big deal, but simple to do, and THAT is invaluable.

I will drive, maintain, and modify this rig until they stop making #2.

... "just getting broken in... "

- S
 
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