Off Roading 20 inch wheels?????

[fourwhls]

I just picked up the latest issue of Four Wheeler magazine. In the 4wheelparts ad, they list a new American Racing wheel called Mojave Big Bead Lock (20x10)



I could not find it on AR's website or 4wheelparts website, but here is what the basic wheel looks like in black without the beadlock...



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Quite a few companies are offering a 325/60-20 tire, which is basically a 35" tire.



Does anybody have any experience with a combination like this?? What kind of lift would this setup require??

 

[daquilina]

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[JGheen]

Well, to be honest, I would never run anything bigger than a 17" wheel on a truck that I take off road. I would guess all you will need for lift to fit those wheels and tires would be either a leveling kit or at least a 2"-5" kit. I believe you can still fit 33" tires on these trucks stock.

But as for wheel size, in all my years of off-roading, I have seen too many guys with huge wheels like that get them hung up on rocks or at least sctrach them all to hell going through some mud. But then again, most people who want nice wheels on their truck, especially a 20" wheel, do not take their rigs out and bash 'em like I do. Oo.

 

[FDNYMOPARGUY]

nice wheels on their truck, especially a 20" wheel, do not take their rigs out and bash 'em like I do.





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Amen to that!

 

[ARedetzke]

20 inch wheels do not belong on a serious 4 wheel drive, period. Unless of course you have more money than brains, in which case, be my guest, blow a bunch of money on something that's going to get torn to hell. Oh yeah, be sure to use a lot of terms like "bling bling" when speaking as well. It will convey your intelligence to others, so they can avoid you like the plague!!!!! (It's always nice to have a warning!!!) Do I sound bitter?

AJ

 

[GO 4LO]

If you want a real set of offroad 20" wheels, contact John Staszak at this address: -- email address removed -- - tell him Chris Schnelle told you about him. He builds rims for the 40"-52" Michelin military tires that take 20" rims.

And if you don't call a rig with Rockwells and 52"x16" Michelin military tires on 20" rims a "serious 4 wheel drive", then I'd love to see what you would call serious! haha

Chris

 

[ARedetzke]

Ok I give, 52s= serious 4x4. I'm talking more like they don't belong on say, 35s. Plus they have to cost a fortune. BTW what in the world do you do with a rig that has 52s on it? Drive over cars??? I was actually just raging against all the idiots that put the huge rims and low profile tires on their 4x4s. Unfortunately we get a lot of that around here, luckily I can just fill them up with smoke!!

AJ

 

[GO 4LO]

Yeah, I knew what you were meaning - just givin' ya a hard time .



I have a set of 52's sitting in my garage for my '97. I've also got a set of 64" tractor tires w/ custom 26" rims for my next project .



Chris

 

[Matt400]

Originally posted by ARedetzke

I was actually just raging against all the idiots that put the huge rims and low profile tires on their 4x4s. Unfortunately we get a lot of that around here

Tire and wheel combo's IMO should have purpose.



20's offer superior balancing when the wheel weight is moved out farther, they handle better at road speed on corners and can offer more stability for a loaded SRW. There are some capable 10 plys in the 33" and 35" range for 20's and lets not forget the fellas running 19. 5's without bending up their rims, you just gotta slow up some when off road.



I agree they are not for high speed off road or rock crawling use but I doubt the majority do that with their 40-50K trucks. The few that do need to stick with the 17's.



If your gonna come down so hard on those idiots might as well include the ones that destroy their suspensions with silly lift kits and tires that belong on a tractor. It looks cool but drives like ****

 

[GO 4LO]

Originally posted by Matt400

If your gonna come down so hard on those idiots might as well include the ones that destroy their suspensions with silly lift kits and tires that belong on a tractor. It looks cool but drives like ****

I assume this was directed at me due to the tractor-tire comment.



IMO, if you modify your vehicle, it should be for what ever purpose you want. If you build a vehicle as a show truck, then put whatever chrome suspension you want on and add your $15k stereo system. If you build a towrig, go ahead and put on your airbags and 19. 5's. I built both of my Jeeps for offroad use exclusively and don't really care if the tractor tires balance or not. I also don't care if it looks cool, as both of my Jeeps have pretty extensive body damage. A stock or modified-stock suspension will not perform to my standards offroad, so I was forced to "destroy" my suspension with a custom-designed and -built "silly lift kit. " If someone has the disposable income and the knowledge to build a vehicle for improved performance in their specific application, then who are you to call them an idiot?



Still, if they modify the vehicle only to make it "look cool", then call them whatever you want - I won't stand in your way . haha.



Chris

 

[Matt400]

Originally posted by GO 4LO

I assume this was directed at me due to the tractor-tire comment.

Not at all, it was the idiot remark that kinda made me think. . hey maybe they are doing what works for them.

"destroy" my suspension with a custom-designed and -built "silly lift kit. "

I knew that would get a rise out of someone and it surely wasn't directed at purpose built suspensions. I was just saying that so very many install lift kits just for the height rather than function maybe we shouldn't come down so hard on the bigger wheel guys.

I work on suspensions almost every day and when a big lift comes in for an alignment and the owner saying it doesn't handle very well I just think but it looks cool!

If someone has the disposable income and the knowledge to build a vehicle for improved performance in their specific application, then who are you to call them an idiot?

If you look back that word did not originate with me. Still you won't convince me that a lifted truck = improved performance in a daily driver but I have to admit it does look cool.

 

[biggy238]

Lots of people have noticed that a good 10" sidewall is a good balance between road handling and trail absorbtion (sucking up bumps/ wrapping around rocks) without rim damage. Hence the 17" rim with 37 inch tires on rock crawlers and 15/35"s and some of the new 20/40 combos.



Make sure the rims and tires are load rated for your GVW. People forget about that and try to put tin foil on Ford excursions and whine when it shakes because they warped a rim.



I'm installing airride on mine that should have 10" of variable height for show and go. A cummins truck will clear 35's with a 2 inch lever on the road but rub whenever you stuff the susp. So think about 3. 5" of total lift or more to truely offroad.

 

[biggy238]

And for the record if i see another jeep with 20's i'm setting it on fire.

 

[GO 4LO]

Originally posted by Matt400



If you look back that word did not originate with me. Still you won't convince me that a lifted truck = improved performance in a daily driver but I have to admit it does look cool.

In most cases, I agree with you. Still, with enough money and knowledge, you can do anything. My little Jeep has a softer ride now than stock, due to control arm length and mounting location changes, despite the increased height.

Like I said before, though, build it for what you want. If you only use a vehicle offroad, then why build it to perform well on the street, if that sacrifices offroad ability? That would be idiotic.

Chris

 

[GO 4LO]

Originally posted by biggy238

And for the record if i see another jeep with 20's i'm setting it on fire.

Then please don't come up to Cincinnati .

Chris

 

[GO 4LO]

Originally posted by biggy238

Lots of people have noticed that a good 10" sidewall is a good balance between road handling and trail absorbtion (sucking up bumps/ wrapping around rocks) without rim damage. Hence the 17" rim with 37 inch tires on rock crawlers and 15/35"s and some of the new 20/40 combos.

Personally, I'd run the 37's on 15" rims in the rear and 17" rims up front if I were running 37's. Then you've got the extra stability up front for steering without losing the pliability of the extra sidewall in the rear. I've seen a few comp rigs set up like this...

Chris

 

[biggy238]

I agree... I was just going for the all around thing. And yeah I've been up around Cinci. . the trend is moving south down I-75. I believe i'll stick with my truck. Rust, bumpers, and all... . "Chrome doesn't 4wheel well... "

 

[GO 4LO]

"Trust the rust, 'cause the chrome won't get ya home. "

 

[ARedetzke]

Originally posted by GO 4LO

"Trust the rust, 'cause the chrome won't get ya home. "

I always heard it: "Chrome won't get ya home, but it sure makes ya look good pushin'!!!"

 

[NC_Mog]

Originally posted by ARedetzke

20 inch wheels do not belong on a serious 4 wheel drive, period.

Beware of blanket statements. I have a truck with 43" tires and it has 20" rims and a stock suspension sitting in the driveway. Does it go offroad? Let's put it this way; I'm the one you call when no one else can get your rig out. I think of it as a low speed truck versus a high speed tractor.