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I was just curious,

What kind of fluid does the 2003 six speed use? And, does anyone know if the new type fluid is compatible with the 2001 six speed?



Thanks in advance
 
If you look around a bit in this forum, you'll find a member who spoke with an engineer from the company that built our transmissions. They have 5W-30 motor oil in them. I ve seen this data in a couple of other places too.
 
You will get into all sorts of "debates" around here where lubes are concerned - and any of us are certainly free to use a wide variety of stuff in our engines and drivetrains, if warranty is not an issue - shucks, if ya don't use yer vehicle hard, ya MIGHT even get away with using a few bottles of Wesson oil... :p ;) :D



BUT, *ENGINE OIL* in a heavy-duty transmission? Here's what Redline sez about engine and automatic transmission fluids in heavy duty manual trannies, and the NV-5600 in particular:



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These lubricants are not well suited for transmission use because of two factors - shear stability and improper coefficient of friction - which will be discussed in more detail later. At even lower temperatures such as -17. 7°C (0°F), the differences between conventional lubricants and Red Line MTL are even more dramatic. At such a temperature many of these lubricants would prevent shifting into certain gears, depending on the design of the transmission.



All oils are slippery, and with most lubricated components, the slipperier the better, but this is not so with manual transmissions. The synchronization of shifting gears requires friction to transfer energy from the synchronizer, which is locked to the input shaft, to its mating surface attached to the gear to be locked in as the drive gear. Few modern transmissions use sliding gears to change gearing other than for reverse gearing. Synchromesh transmissions have the gear pairs constantly in mesh. The drive gear is selected by using the shift forks to slide a synchronizer ring, which rotates at the same speed as the input shaft, in contact with the selected drive gear. Once the drive gear is brought to the same speed as the input shaft, the locking ring on the synchro assembly is allowed to slide over and lock into the drive gear.



The time this process takes depends on how easily the synchro ring moves and the rate of frictional energy transfer between the two synchronizer surfaces. Higher viscosity lubricants slow the sliding of the synchro ring on the input shaft and require a longer time for the oil to be squeezed out from between the mating synchronizer surfaces. After the lubricant is squeezed out, the coefficient of friction of the lubricant determines the rate of frictional energy transfer between the two surfaces. Slippery lubricants such as hypoid gear oils and ATFs can take too long to synchronize the gears, which promotes synchronizer wear. Red Line MTL and MT-90 has a coefficient of friction which is greater than conventional oils, allowing a quicker transfer of frictional energy.

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SOOooo - get out those cans of motor oil - or Wesson oil, and have at it!;) :D
 
Originally posted by Prairie Dog

If you look around a bit in this forum, you'll find a member who spoke with an engineer from the company that built our transmissions. They have 5W-30 motor oil in them. I ve seen this data in a couple of other places too.



He must have spoken to different people that I did. I spoke with THREE different engineering types at New Venture Gear, asking what synthetic lube I could use instead of the Texaco 1874 product. Their uniform answer was "We've never used anything else but the 1874 lube. "
 
Originally posted by Prairie Dog

The engineer had indicated the "1874" fluid IS 5W-30.



:confused: Could you post some information on this like Gary did from Redline? Seem to be getting conflicting information :( Without some engineering data with testing backup, it would be risky to use anything but what the manufacture recommends. I know some people are in the process of field testing other lubes. If the people that are field testing, would post what they are using with the number of miles they have been using said product, that would also be helpful. By the way, does anyone know what the service life is for the NV 5600, using the recommended lube? How long has anyone gone without changing the lube in their 5600? That might be a good question for a thread ;)
 
Originally posted by Diesel Freak

I am using Red Line MTL... ... and my transmission loves it... it even told me so!



I am trying to decide between Redline MTL and Royal Purple's Synchromax or synchromesh, (whatever it's called).
 
Here is some data on the Texaco 1874 Fluid:



Flash Point (D-92) 386 F.

Pour Point (D-97) -50 F.

Viscosity cSt@ 100 C. (D-445) 9. 08

Viscosity cSt@ 40 C. (D-445) 41. 6

Viscosity Index (D-2270) 208



Here is the Data on the Amsoil 5W-30:



Flash Point (D-92) 442 F.

Pour Point (D-97) -60 F.

Viscosity cSt@ 100 C. (D-445) 11. 7

Viscosity cSt@ 40 C. (D-445) 59. 5

Viscosity Index (D-2270) 197





An SAE 30 oil is measured @ 100 C. and can be between 9. 3 and 12. 5 cSt to be qualified as a SAE 30 grade oil





Wayne

amsoilman
 
I personally respect Wayne to the extreme - he's a gentleman of top calibre - I also respect Amsoil for ALL the applications for which it is clearly certified and marked to meet spec for... Shucks, I'm happy to be using Amsoil in my differential, because it DOES meet that spec - and when/if they provide one that ALSO meets/exceeds the transmission spec, I'd be happy to use THAT as well!



THAT being said, the above info merely addresses the VISCOSITY and flash/pour points of the Amsoil MOTOR oil they want us to accept as suitable for use in our trannies, in spite of other sources that claim MOTOR oils are NOT suitable for NV-5600 transmission applications!



There is FAR more of *critical* importance for lube to be used in the NV-5600 than the pitiful small range of spec outlined above, JUST as there's MORE to proper transmission operation than it's ability to "shift smoothly" - and if Wayne or other Amsoil fans want to be TOTALLY open and honest - why not supply the FULL list of specs contained in DC 9224 vs the Amsoil 5w-30 motor oil, and let us compare EACH and EVERY one of them, line by line...



FAIR ENOUGH? ;)



AND, if Amsoil DOES meet that spec, ALL they need do, is print clearly on their label:



"Meets or exceeds Chrysler spec #MS-9224"





They DON'T do that, and we all really KNOW why - it's because they DON'T "meet or exceed" the FULL RANGE spec as outlined in DC #MS-9224! PERIOD, END of story!



Like I've said before, if yer a diehard Amsoil supporter, and are DETERMINED to use Amsoil, even if what they provide apparently only comes *close* to what is REALLY called for in yer 5600 - GO for it!:p ;) :D



Otherwise, who knows, Crisco MIGHT work too... :p ;) :D
 
I agree with Gary's comment 100%. I use Amsoil in my engine and rear diff. because they meet the specs called out for by the manufacturer. When I have to replace the fluid in my 6 speed, I will probably pay the Dodge price to get the right stuff.



No offense to any of you who are experimenting, but using a different fluid in a transmission for 50,000 miles and saying that it is good doesn't cut it for me when the life expectancy of the transmission is 200,000 - 500,000 miles. The transmission would probably last 150,000 if you never even touched it.



That's all I have to say about that.
 
NVG Six Speed Transmission

Answer to Pit Bull:



At the summer TDR rally in Columbus, IN I asked the New Venture engineer who claimed he designed the NV-560 transmission about the expected life of the NV-560.



He stated that the design life of the transmission is 250,000 miles.



Interestingly, just a couple of weeks before I left home for the TDR rally I ran across an RV transporter at a local RV dealer. The transporter was using a 2001 3500 Quad Cab HO/6 speed. He already had over 250,000 miles on his truck!



I asked him a few questions about how well his truck was holding up in continuous use transporting RVs all over the US and how he liked it. He had nothing bad to say about his truck but did say that the original NV-560 got noisy and had to be replaced at 242,000 miles. He opted to buy a complete new unit from Dodge and it wasn't cheap. I think he said he paid around $4500.



Harvey
 
"He stated that the design life of the transmission is 250,000 miles. "



Honestly, *I* would NOT be impressed with THAT service mileage at all, UNLESS it was mostly VERY hard usage out at the ragged edges of ratings!



MORE to the point, that is EXACTLY why I continue my search for as superior a lube for transmission and differential as possible, I fully expect both transmission and differential to last as long as the Cummins does, with consciencious use of good lubes and regular service intervals! True, LS clutches might be a problem due to their normal function, but the gears and bearings SHOULD be good for considerably longer than quoted above...
 
[/QUOTE] Flash Point (D-92) 386 F.

Pour Point (D-97) -50 F.

Viscosity cSt@ 100 C. (D-445) 9. 08

Viscosity cSt@ 40 C. (D-445) 41. 6

Viscosity Index (D-2270) 208 [/QUOTE]



Gary these figures were taken from Texaco, and were the only ones listed other than the appearance (amber color) and Gravity.



It did give a description of the MTX Fluid as being formulated with high quality parafifinic base stocks, a multifunctional performance additive, a fluidity modifier, a shear stable viscosity index improver, corrosion inhibitors and a foam suppressor. This desription is nothing more than what is in most all engine oils!



Wayne

amsoilman
 
Wayne, there's little doubt in my mind that the Amsoil stuff WILL meet many of the specific points for DC # 9224 - while NOT meeting some others - the problem is, sorting out WHICH ones Amsoil potentially MISSES, and then deciding whether those specific areas apply, or are important to a given individual and the way he uses his truck.



Flow - or cold pour-point MIGHT be of great importance to someone up in alaska, yet be TOTALLY UNimportant to another user down in Phoenix!



What *I* would like to see, is a chart showing exactly where the Amsoil stuff MISSES the 9224 spec, and by how much - then let ME decide if that particular spec impacts MY normal usage!



I seriously doubt there is the SLIGHTEST difficulty in obtaining ALL the particulars of the DC #9224 spec - and UNLESS Amsoil was deliberately arbitrary or devious, THEY *should* also be able and willing to provide the equivelent spec for their 5w-30 motor oil.



OH, and I don't think ANYONE particulary debates the 5w-30 basic weight issue - ONLY as to whether *MOTOR OIL* is a proper medium IN that weight for use in our NV-5600 trannies...
 
Well, all I have to say is, I used the Amsoil 5w30 in my 00 6spd. for over 167K mi. and had no problems. I was pulling heavy for most of those miles. When my 03 is ready to change, thats what will go in it. We all have a choice, no one is telling us what to use.

I also spent a few nights in a Wal-Mart parking lot!!;) :)



Larry
 
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