2004.5 CTD QC shortbed towing

[CUMMINZ]

I have been planning the purchase of goose neck, 8 or 10 ton GVW dual axle trailer. To haul a tractor and other related crap after my retirement. My truck was ordered with this in mind. With single rear tires I know my towing caps are slightly less than a dooly.

I was given some good advice a short while ago that has made me think. The pulling power of my truck is the same as a 3500 dooly. What I am now questioning is what this advise has laid in front of me. With extreme loads on the trailer and proper loads it places on the rear of my truck,,, the main difference between single and dual wheels is stopping power. This friend told me that he has had heavy loads push him thru several stoplights with rear wheels locked. He said the dual wheels have more rubber on the road and greatly increase your safe stopping qualities. I know there are other godlike quilities of a dooly and that is not in question.

Has anyone had these problems with single rear tire 2500/3500 trucks?

 

[Snellville-Dave]

With all that after market power stuff you have on the truck, it looks like you need to add an exhust brake to help stop that monster. If the power upgrades haven't killed that auto trans, I can't see that adding the exhaust brake would hurt anything now.

 

[CUMMINZ]

pulling

I have the 48re and they have not approved an exhaust brake yet. My 48re is handling the power. I don't over do it. The real question is the 2500/3500 single rear wheel truck I think is limited when it comes to weight being pulled to the weight of my truck and 4 tires on the ground.

 

[Snellville-Dave]

I don't think that TST equipment is approved either. If you ever have to upgrade that transmission, I bet someone else will suggest getting an exhaust brake. Your rig looks good and I hope get a lot of fun out of using it.

 

[Bertram65]

I have been planning the purchase of goose neck, 8 or 10 ton GVW dual axle trailer. To haul a tractor and other related crap after my retirement. My truck was ordered with this in mind. With single rear tires I know my towing caps are slightly less than a dooly.

I was given some good advice a short while ago that has made me think. The pulling power of my truck is the same as a 3500 dooly. What I am now questioning is what this advise has laid in front of me. With extreme loads on the trailer and proper loads it places on the rear of my truck,,, the main difference between single and dual wheels is stopping power. This friend told me that he has had heavy loads push him thru several stoplights with rear wheels locked. He said the dual wheels have more rubber on the road and greatly increase your safe stopping qualities. I know there are other godlike quilities of a dooly and that is not in question.

Has anyone had these problems with single rear tire 2500/3500 trucks?

Towing heavy the trailer is going to be heavier than the truck, if the brakes are setup right on the trailer the trailer should not be pushing the truck when slowing down the two should brake together, having more rubber on the ground on the truck is not going to make any difference in stopping distance.

 

[WNowlan]

I am 12,000 loaded with my horses. I do not have any problems stopping. The truck and trailer seem to work just fine together. I do want a ebrake as soon as we can get them. It would help going down hill.

 

[RustyJC]

,,, the main difference between single and dual wheels is stopping power.

Actually, the main difference between single and dual wheels is the rear GAWR and the truck's GVWR. This affects how much trailer pin/hitch weight the truck can handle.



Rusty

 

[Cummins4WD]

I thought if you put a mystery switch on the 48RE you can run a exhaust brake as long as you pay attention to what you're doing. The mystery switch, when on, simply runs power to the torque converter and locks it to a 1:1 ratio so when you hit your Pac Brake things stay together. Is anyone using one of these. I think people have been installing mystery switches on their autos for a while now.



What is the root problem of the exhaust brake and the 48re from Dodge's standpoint right now?

 

[R C Cola]

Towing and SRW Stopping

Oo. I have been towing heavy for a year now with SRW. You have to watch your tongue weight to not overload your axle rating and tire rating. My trailer is 40' goose so I can go over my axle rating for the two tires (about 6600#) if I do not load the trailer carefully. If you run commercial DOT will check your tires and the door sticker to see what you are supposed to carry. As for being pushed thru stop lites, too much speed for conditions and not allowing proper time and stopping distance. With weight you have to know what your required stopping distance is and drive accordingly. Truck and trailer brake adjustments on a timely basis is mandatory. Experienced drivers normally will drive about 5 miles per hour slower that surrounding traffic, that way you have a safety cushion. Hauling a load is a lot differant than driving a car. Happy trails..... R C

 

[Loren]

I agree with Rusty that the dual vs. single rear wheel is a payload issue, not a stopping one. Both duals and singles should stop the same. You don't get dual brakes on a dual rear-wheel set-up. If you are being pushed through an intersection with the rear brakes locked, it's not a brake issue, it's a traction issue. Traction is increased with more weight on the axle.



Question: Why didn't the rear-wheel anti-lock brakes function to prevent rear wheel lockup?



Bertram65's point about trailer brakes is also correct. If your trailer brake controller is set up correctly, and if your trailer has adequate brakes, then your trailer should not push your truck during a stop. Most reputable trailer manufacturer's install good brakes. If you are concerned about getting enough braking from your controller, install a BrakeSmart unit. It is so much better than whatever controller is in second place, it should be in a category by itself. There's a reason for the backorders of BrakeSmart controllers. They're the best.



Loren

 

[GWBourne]

I have been planning the purchase of goose neck, 8 or 10 ton GVW dual axle trailer. To haul a tractor and other related crap after my retirement. My truck was ordered with this in mind. With single rear tires I know my towing caps are slightly less than a dooly.

I was given some good advice a short while ago that has made me think. The pulling power of my truck is the same as a 3500 dooly. What I am now questioning is what this advise has laid in front of me. With extreme loads on the trailer and proper loads it places on the rear of my truck,,, the main difference between single and dual wheels is stopping power. This friend told me that he has had heavy loads push him thru several stoplights with rear wheels locked. He said the dual wheels have more rubber on the road and greatly increase your safe stopping qualities. I know there are other godlike quilities of a dooly and that is not in question.

Has anyone had these problems with single rear tire 2500/3500 trucks?

i have an 04. 5 CC 2wd 6 shooter short box that i pulled 9klbs added weight, 7500 on a tandem axle no brake trailer and 1500 in the bed. i had no problems stoping. i have since upgraded to a tripple axle 23000 lbs trailer. yes, now i have brakes, but from what my dad saiyd(i have yet to drive the setup) the dodge has no problems going or stoping with this setup. in wet hilly conditions to boot. he has hit a stop sign with the GN, but that was the only problem.....



i am getting the exhaust brake in the next week and when i get back to the states then i will let you know a personal opinion on how it rides, tows, and all that stoping stuff. it will be a little over a month now..... Oo.

Grant