if you tried to seperate the really stock trucks and the hot stock. would you say that a "bone" stock truck was a truck with an air filter, exhaust, and 1 fueling enhancement. whether that would be a box or injectors and the stock turbo. and put anything hotter than that in a hot stock class? i know at the pulls we have around here that would split the pull in half. I think that ladder bars are a precaution against blowing the pinion out. and are a smart addition to any truck that is going to pull. i saw a psd at a pull in michigan city, ms that actually broke the axle welds and twisted the center housing in his rear end up about 5" out of place.
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The duramaxes can't run without hanging weights on the front. I'd like to see weights eliminated in Street, but it can't be done and still be fair... .
As for the turbos, why not determine a certain turbo size limit for each of the three truck brands?
As for the turbos, why not determine a certain turbo size limit for each of the three truck brands?
Briar Hopper,
Why can't the Dmax's run without hanging weights on the front and still be fair? Aren't there some pretty good pulling Dmax's without them? I cant' see calling a truck "street" if it has hanging weights. If one particular brand is severly handicapped because of a particular design built in to that truck, the others shouldn't be penalized for that. I don't think the name of the game is to necessarily make all the trucks totally equal, but more to group those trucks together that have had similar amounts of $ and work put in to them. That way, tuning, setup and driver technique become the deciding factor on who prevails. Likewise, Duramax's would seem to have the advantage of being able to add enormous amounts of power with just fuel boxes, that should work in their favor, not be held against them by allowing other trucks to have other privelages that they don't. What do you guys think?
Just curious.
Craig
Why can't the Dmax's run without hanging weights on the front and still be fair? Aren't there some pretty good pulling Dmax's without them? I cant' see calling a truck "street" if it has hanging weights. If one particular brand is severly handicapped because of a particular design built in to that truck, the others shouldn't be penalized for that. I don't think the name of the game is to necessarily make all the trucks totally equal, but more to group those trucks together that have had similar amounts of $ and work put in to them. That way, tuning, setup and driver technique become the deciding factor on who prevails. Likewise, Duramax's would seem to have the advantage of being able to add enormous amounts of power with just fuel boxes, that should work in their favor, not be held against them by allowing other trucks to have other privelages that they don't. What do you guys think?
Just curious.
Craig
If the diesel class goes to a sanctioned pull, and professional class, like the tractor classes. it will weed out the majority of trucks at this time. I think the sport will eventually move that way, but it is currently to young, I f you are familiar with tractor pulling it started pretty much the same way. My guess is that in 10 years or sooner you will be seeing diesel truck class like the sanctiooned ntpa and atpa gas/ alcohol truck classes. Then it will take about 40 to 50 k to be competitive. Which is not much money in the pulling circuit compared to what people have in the pro stock and super stock diesel tractor classes. I still thaink that for less than the cost of a new truck someone could build a super stock, ( tube frame) diesel pulling truck that would blow even schieds truck away.
really if the rules aren't going to be enforced there is no need i talking about it. i know that alot of pulls i go to like from ky to in to ohio every place is different for the tractors as well as street diesel trucks. so what ever is done needs to be enforced or it will get abused and there is no need in talking about it. the way i see it for the fords and chevys if they already have a turbo that is equivelent to a 40 then that is someting they dont have to buy. in all seriousness, (not for ego purposses) it takes alot of money to make a ford PULL like a cummins, not run. i agree about the weights in the street class, do away with them most guys are just ruining the front end of their truck, not needed unless you have enough hp to really spin the tires for traction. ladder bars are a must not for traction but for stability. pulling without ladderbars is like pulling with a stock clutchit just aint right. i think a meeting or something needs to be put together, and rule out some opinions, if the pullers are serious enough to come to a meeting then it would show how well they wanted to have a more competitive pull.
ps sorry its so long
ps sorry its so long
******KISS**********
Have you all heard of this. When discussing rules you need to-
Keep It Simple Stupid... ..... meaning very easy to identify and not time consuming.
all the rules are great but out here in California we don't get that many pullers at the events. Not really enough for two classes.
That is another thing we took in to account when making these rules.
I think the rules need to be kept simple until we have bigger and better turnouts at all the hill dink pulls.
I hope the pullers get going like the DHRA too. .
I pray for the guy that gets elected to judge and say who is in what class and enforce these rules. Nobody ever likes that person no matter what... and no one ever steps up to the plate to help...
you guys sometimes are worse than women. I think that I will stick to barrel racing. No one can argue with the clock.
I will shut up and now be an obediant wife... .
danelle
Have you all heard of this. When discussing rules you need to-
Keep It Simple Stupid... ..... meaning very easy to identify and not time consuming.
all the rules are great but out here in California we don't get that many pullers at the events. Not really enough for two classes.
That is another thing we took in to account when making these rules.
I think the rules need to be kept simple until we have bigger and better turnouts at all the hill dink pulls.
I hope the pullers get going like the DHRA too. .
I pray for the guy that gets elected to judge and say who is in what class and enforce these rules. Nobody ever likes that person no matter what... and no one ever steps up to the plate to help...
you guys sometimes are worse than women. I think that I will stick to barrel racing. No one can argue with the clock.
I will shut up and now be an obediant wife... .
danelle
MY . 02... ... ... Stock is Stock, what part of that don't we understand.
Any modifications move up to street stock, open or hot stock class. I personally would like to see brand new STOCK class at all the pulls, would be fun to watch and see who does what and how far they would pull.
I watched a 03 Dodge 5. 7 Hemi out pull a 496 Chevy at a fair this at summer, I thought Chevy had more than that... ... . Stock... . I was wrong
Any modifications move up to street stock, open or hot stock class. I personally would like to see brand new STOCK class at all the pulls, would be fun to watch and see who does what and how far they would pull.
I watched a 03 Dodge 5. 7 Hemi out pull a 496 Chevy at a fair this at summer, I thought Chevy had more than that... ... . Stock... . I was wrong
what??
how many of you people that are crying for a pure stock class have pulled or even been to a pull? It's street stock, not showroom stock! You're making too much of this. You guys would have to start teching at 9:00am for a 5:00pm pull!! And everyone will be ****** off! Single charger with no adapter plate,reese hitch/hook point furthest point on the rear,2" travel on suspension. Hanging weights... . It doesn't matter to me either way. Personally I think short wheel base trucks(reg cabs and club cab/short beds) should be allowed to hang them, while long wheel base trucks shouldn't. Help even up the field, but whatever.
Did some one actually say NO ladderbars??
Joe
how many of you people that are crying for a pure stock class have pulled or even been to a pull? It's street stock, not showroom stock! You're making too much of this. You guys would have to start teching at 9:00am for a 5:00pm pull!! And everyone will be ****** off! Single charger with no adapter plate,reese hitch/hook point furthest point on the rear,2" travel on suspension. Hanging weights... . It doesn't matter to me either way. Personally I think short wheel base trucks(reg cabs and club cab/short beds) should be allowed to hang them, while long wheel base trucks shouldn't. Help even up the field, but whatever.
Did some one actually say NO ladderbars??
Joe
more $. 02. I have seen dmax's hang with fords and dodge's without adding any weight. for an 8000lb class in my reg cab truck i have to add 1200lbs of weight because it only weighs 6800lbs with me in it. i don't hang them but i do stack them in the cab and bed. as for a pure stock truck it should be air filter and exhaust but 0 motor work. who really wants to see that? i pulled my '95 bone stock, and i didn't even want to watch that.
cjohnson, I wasn't advocating hanging weights, I was merely passing along feedback I'm getting from the Duramax pullers around here. Apparently it has to do with the frame squatting in the back, and more likelihood of breaking something.
I do agree with the points you're making, though, cjohnson.
Without a sanctioning body, I can see the pull promoters around the country taking a lot of heat and verbal abuse, no matter what rules they set up... .
I do agree with the points you're making, though, cjohnson.
Without a sanctioning body, I can see the pull promoters around the country taking a lot of heat and verbal abuse, no matter what rules they set up... .
In Missouri last week we had a meeting with our pulling association (Show Me truck pullers). We (diesel trucks) go to alot of fair pulls in central MO. We decided to go with Scheids rulls, wether its right or wrong we all agreed to them Hoping to carry our points over to there event. We didn't get out of hand with any changes but got a little more detailed on a few like no hanging weights on the exterior suggested highly to fasten weights in bed no weights in cab (we didn't allow weights on the front because there isn't alot of D. P. yet, and if we pull up to a local fair with iron hanging off the front it will deturb some of the locals and starters from entering the classes). Latter bars are ecepted, for the simple fact that they will help from breaking the rear end. All of the guys in our association are building drive shaft loops/Ujoint covers, running a blanket and bolts threw the exuast for next year but not inforcing it yet, because of the street stock and what I mentioned before about deturbing the local guys of pulling. I have a drag comp, B1, JR Adkins BIG inj. , EEP dual disc clutch, head work, PDR hot rod VP44, six speed, and a FASS fuel system, I'm broke $$ now but I drive my truck every day. I drove to allmost every pull last year except Greenville ILL, I drove to Muncie with my 25ft gooseneck with my brothers truck on it and pulled, drove to Scheids this year with the lifted black Excurtion on the gooseneck and I pull both days and draged raced. Not street stock?? Dont get me wrong there is nothing bad about towing your truck to the pulls, I don't like to see anyone walking home. Sorry for the long post
i could not agree more. i saw your trucks at schied's.
Hammer
TDR MEMBER
Well with not much pulling experience here all I can relate to this is my outside experiences from participating in other motorsports functions. So slap me if you will and here I go...
Street Stock.....
1-Trucks must maintain the factory powerplant designed for that particular vechicle. (examples... Dodge/Cummins-Ford/Powerstroke-GM/Duramax). No hybrids of any type accepted.
2-All body panels must be factory with no fiberglass accepted. Aftermarket hoods allowed only.
2a-all glass must be factory type. No lexan or plexiglass permitted.
3-Suspension must be mounted in factory location with no more than one shock per corner. Lifted suspensions permitted as long as hitch height can be maintained.
4-Ladder bars are permitted but must be bolt on pieces only. Safety heim joints will be used so bars will not drop if joints break. No suspension limiting devices allowed of any type permitted.
5-No ram air devices of any kind permitted. Air air induction devices must be mounted under the hood.
6-Tires and wheels are to be D. O. T. approved only. Tires may not be cut any in any way. Size is limited to one size above stock.
7-Engine mods... .
7a-Aftermarket exhaust manifolds are permitted as long as they are factory replacements. No headers accepted of any type.
7b-Turbos are limited to a single charger only with no adapter of any style permitted. No twin chargers allowed.
7c- Intake manifolds must be direct replacements. No spacers of any type allowed and no sheetmetal style either. Factory heater grids must be retained and in place in stock location.
7d-Aftermarket turbo boots allowed and encouraged.
7e-Fuel is limited to #2 only. Fuel additives limited to over the counter products only. No injection of any other substance is legal.
7f-Aftermarket injectors are allowed. Excessive smoke is not.
8-Bolt on counter weights are not permitted of any kind. Any weights used to make class must be mounted in a weight box in the bed. Hanging weights are not permitted.
9-Hitch must be a factory towing style reciever(i. e. -Reese,Drawtite,etc)and be mounted in the factory location. No other mounting locations will be permitted.
10-Trucks will be currently insured,tagged and state inspected if they are used.
11-Trucks may be required to drive a designated distance to prove their street worthiness at promoters discretion.
12-Excessive smoke is not allowed and may cause disqualification.
13-Mufflers are optional but preferred. Exhaust brakes permitted.
5-No ram air devices of any kind permitted. Air air induction devices must be mounted under the hood.
6-Tires and wheels are to be D. O. T. approved only. Tires may not be cut any in any way. Size is limited to one size above stock.
7-Engine mods... .
7a-Aftermarket exhaust manifolds are permitted as long as they are factory replacements. No headers accepted of any type.
7b-Turbos are limited to a single charger only with no adapter of any style permitted. No twin chargers allowed.
7c- Intake manifolds must be direct replacements. No spacers of any type allowed and no sheetmetal style either. Factory heater grids must be retained and in place in stock location.
7d-Aftermarket turbo boots allowed and encouraged.
7e-Fuel is limited to #2 only. Fuel additives limited to over the counter products only. No injection of any other substance is legal.
7f-Aftermarket injectors are allowed. Excessive smoke is not.
8-Bolt on counter weights are not permitted of any kind. Any weights used to make class must be mounted in a weight box in the bed. Hanging weights are not permitted.
9-Hitch must be a factory towing style reciever(i. e. -Reese,Drawtite,etc)and be mounted in the factory location. No other mounting locations will be permitted.
10-Trucks will be currently insured,tagged and state inspected if they are used.
11-Trucks may be required to drive a designated distance to prove their street worthiness at promoters discretion.
12-Excessive smoke is not allowed and may cause disqualification.
13-Mufflers are optional but preferred. Exhaust brakes permitted. 7-Engine mods... .
7a-Aftermarket exhaust manifolds are permitted as long as they are factory replacements. No headers accepted of any type.
7b-Turbos are limited to a single charger only with no adapter of any style permitted. No twin chargers allowed.
7c- Intake manifolds must be direct replacements. No spacers of any type allowed and no sheetmetal style either. Factory heater grids must be retained and in place in stock location.
7d-Aftermarket turbo boots allowed and encouraged.
7e-Fuel is limited to #2 only. Fuel additives limited to over the counter products only. No injection of any other substance is legal.
7f-Aftermarket injectors are allowed. Excessive smoke is not.
7g-Aftermarket clutches approved. Trans blankets and shieilds premitted and encouraged.
8-Bolt on counter weights are not permitted of any kind. Any weights used to make class must be mounted in a weight box in the bed. Hanging weights are not permitted.
9-Hitch must be a factory towing style reciever(i. e. -Reese,Drawtite,etc)and be mounted in the factory location. No other mounting locations will be permitted.
10-Trucks will be currently insured,tagged and state inspected if they are used.
11-Trucks may be required to drive a designated distance to prove their street worthiness at promoters discretion.
12-Excessive smoke is not allowed and may cause disqualification.
13-Mufflers are optional but preferred. Exhaust brakes permitted.
14-Lisence plates will be displayed in stock location.
15-Exhaust turndowns are required for fan safety.
16-Helmet and SFI jackets are required for driver safety.
Keep in mind folks these are wanted to keep the little guys in the game. With something simular to these you could pack the house full of trucks and base a good payout on the field sizes. Street stock means that,street driven daily with no changes and smoke limited. Some states do not allow for excessive smoke and will cite the owners for it. I am now slipping into my flame suit and readying for the onslaught... ... ... ..... Andy
Street Stock.....
1-Trucks must maintain the factory powerplant designed for that particular vechicle. (examples... Dodge/Cummins-Ford/Powerstroke-GM/Duramax). No hybrids of any type accepted.
2-All body panels must be factory with no fiberglass accepted. Aftermarket hoods allowed only.
2a-all glass must be factory type. No lexan or plexiglass permitted.
3-Suspension must be mounted in factory location with no more than one shock per corner. Lifted suspensions permitted as long as hitch height can be maintained.
4-Ladder bars are permitted but must be bolt on pieces only. Safety heim joints will be used so bars will not drop if joints break. No suspension limiting devices allowed of any type permitted.
5-No ram air devices of any kind permitted. Air air induction devices must be mounted under the hood.
6-Tires and wheels are to be D. O. T. approved only. Tires may not be cut any in any way. Size is limited to one size above stock.
7-Engine mods... .
7a-Aftermarket exhaust manifolds are permitted as long as they are factory replacements. No headers accepted of any type.
7b-Turbos are limited to a single charger only with no adapter of any style permitted. No twin chargers allowed.
7c- Intake manifolds must be direct replacements. No spacers of any type allowed and no sheetmetal style either. Factory heater grids must be retained and in place in stock location.
7d-Aftermarket turbo boots allowed and encouraged.
7e-Fuel is limited to #2 only. Fuel additives limited to over the counter products only. No injection of any other substance is legal.
7f-Aftermarket injectors are allowed. Excessive smoke is not.
8-Bolt on counter weights are not permitted of any kind. Any weights used to make class must be mounted in a weight box in the bed. Hanging weights are not permitted.
9-Hitch must be a factory towing style reciever(i. e. -Reese,Drawtite,etc)and be mounted in the factory location. No other mounting locations will be permitted.
10-Trucks will be currently insured,tagged and state inspected if they are used.
11-Trucks may be required to drive a designated distance to prove their street worthiness at promoters discretion.
12-Excessive smoke is not allowed and may cause disqualification.
13-Mufflers are optional but preferred. Exhaust brakes permitted.
5-No ram air devices of any kind permitted. Air air induction devices must be mounted under the hood.
6-Tires and wheels are to be D. O. T. approved only. Tires may not be cut any in any way. Size is limited to one size above stock.
7-Engine mods... .
7a-Aftermarket exhaust manifolds are permitted as long as they are factory replacements. No headers accepted of any type.
7b-Turbos are limited to a single charger only with no adapter of any style permitted. No twin chargers allowed.
7c- Intake manifolds must be direct replacements. No spacers of any type allowed and no sheetmetal style either. Factory heater grids must be retained and in place in stock location.
7d-Aftermarket turbo boots allowed and encouraged.
7e-Fuel is limited to #2 only. Fuel additives limited to over the counter products only. No injection of any other substance is legal.
7f-Aftermarket injectors are allowed. Excessive smoke is not.
8-Bolt on counter weights are not permitted of any kind. Any weights used to make class must be mounted in a weight box in the bed. Hanging weights are not permitted.
9-Hitch must be a factory towing style reciever(i. e. -Reese,Drawtite,etc)and be mounted in the factory location. No other mounting locations will be permitted.
10-Trucks will be currently insured,tagged and state inspected if they are used.
11-Trucks may be required to drive a designated distance to prove their street worthiness at promoters discretion.
12-Excessive smoke is not allowed and may cause disqualification.
13-Mufflers are optional but preferred. Exhaust brakes permitted. 7-Engine mods... .
7a-Aftermarket exhaust manifolds are permitted as long as they are factory replacements. No headers accepted of any type.
7b-Turbos are limited to a single charger only with no adapter of any style permitted. No twin chargers allowed.
7c- Intake manifolds must be direct replacements. No spacers of any type allowed and no sheetmetal style either. Factory heater grids must be retained and in place in stock location.
7d-Aftermarket turbo boots allowed and encouraged.
7e-Fuel is limited to #2 only. Fuel additives limited to over the counter products only. No injection of any other substance is legal.
7f-Aftermarket injectors are allowed. Excessive smoke is not.
7g-Aftermarket clutches approved. Trans blankets and shieilds premitted and encouraged.
8-Bolt on counter weights are not permitted of any kind. Any weights used to make class must be mounted in a weight box in the bed. Hanging weights are not permitted.
9-Hitch must be a factory towing style reciever(i. e. -Reese,Drawtite,etc)and be mounted in the factory location. No other mounting locations will be permitted.
10-Trucks will be currently insured,tagged and state inspected if they are used.
11-Trucks may be required to drive a designated distance to prove their street worthiness at promoters discretion.
12-Excessive smoke is not allowed and may cause disqualification.
13-Mufflers are optional but preferred. Exhaust brakes permitted.
14-Lisence plates will be displayed in stock location.
15-Exhaust turndowns are required for fan safety.
16-Helmet and SFI jackets are required for driver safety.
Keep in mind folks these are wanted to keep the little guys in the game. With something simular to these you could pack the house full of trucks and base a good payout on the field sizes. Street stock means that,street driven daily with no changes and smoke limited. Some states do not allow for excessive smoke and will cite the owners for it. I am now slipping into my flame suit and readying for the onslaught... ... ... ..... Andy
Hammer, you forgot one.
Rule#3025: Factory paint must be in place.
Rule#3025: Factory paint must be in place.
Hammer
TDR MEMBER
Why is that??...
Can not fit your "street" truck into a class where the little guys could compete??. One of the reasons for failure of many competitive motor-sports is the inability of the sanctioning bodies to make one set of rules sport wide and allow a class where the part time competitor can compete. Once you eliminate the part time or occasional competitor where do you draw your gate from?.
Sorry if its not something you ''Midwestern" pullers like,but,think of it this way. With a huge base of trucks based here on this board and a few of the other boards imagine if you could even tap 1/4 of those who come to watch but have no interest in pulling against the big power rides or those even built specially for pulling(even though they call themselves street trucks).
Pennsylvania has our problems with rules. The 2 big problems here are way to many rules which conflict and the ATPA's vivid imagination of those rules. Promoters here can not even decide from one fair to another the classes or on stupid mufflers or not. One good set of rules would help eliminate this and allow for others who would want to compete to do so and make for a better gate draw and better show. More trucks=bigger payouts its plain and simple its a shame the constant bickering over what determines "Street Trucks'' goes on. While that happens you loose revenue,competitors and fans along with the possibility of loosing places to pull.
So I'll leave you with this question Mr. Daily. .
Do you wish to continue to sled pull for the low payouts or just trophies like you do or would a bigger show with more trucks,bigger payouts and larger crowds interest you?. With the rising cost of parts for this sport and it still being in its infancy one would think bigger crowds and more money to the competitors would allow for petty squabbles to be set aside. Until that happens the sport is destined for mediocrity... ... ... ... ... ... Andy
Can not fit your "street" truck into a class where the little guys could compete??. One of the reasons for failure of many competitive motor-sports is the inability of the sanctioning bodies to make one set of rules sport wide and allow a class where the part time competitor can compete. Once you eliminate the part time or occasional competitor where do you draw your gate from?.
Sorry if its not something you ''Midwestern" pullers like,but,think of it this way. With a huge base of trucks based here on this board and a few of the other boards imagine if you could even tap 1/4 of those who come to watch but have no interest in pulling against the big power rides or those even built specially for pulling(even though they call themselves street trucks).
Pennsylvania has our problems with rules. The 2 big problems here are way to many rules which conflict and the ATPA's vivid imagination of those rules. Promoters here can not even decide from one fair to another the classes or on stupid mufflers or not. One good set of rules would help eliminate this and allow for others who would want to compete to do so and make for a better gate draw and better show. More trucks=bigger payouts its plain and simple its a shame the constant bickering over what determines "Street Trucks'' goes on. While that happens you loose revenue,competitors and fans along with the possibility of loosing places to pull.
So I'll leave you with this question Mr. Daily. .
Do you wish to continue to sled pull for the low payouts or just trophies like you do or would a bigger show with more trucks,bigger payouts and larger crowds interest you?. With the rising cost of parts for this sport and it still being in its infancy one would think bigger crowds and more money to the competitors would allow for petty squabbles to be set aside. Until that happens the sport is destined for mediocrity... ... ... ... ... ... Andy
Hammer-are you a puller?? We pull because we are competitve and we love it. Bigger payouts would be great, but I would rather go to a brush pull that payed $100 to win that had decent rules than your pull that paid $500 and had 50 stupid rules. It doesn't matter because you'll never get back the money you put in it. And we usually have at least 20-30 hooks in each class around here. And packed stands. And the more trucks=more $$ isn't always so. If that was the case I would have got more than $150 for winning Scheids!(49 trucks) That's just my opinion though.
More rules just push more people away.
I agree with Joe.
--Justin
I agree with Joe.
--Justin
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