2005 engine warranty denied.UPDATE!

[J.Davy]

For starters I will fill you guys in a little. About 2 months ago I came back into town after doing a month long work stint and decided to put my chips back in the truck. I went out for a spin and noticed a miss on the top end and the pyrometer was not going past 1500. Pulled the tst out and the miss went away,put it back in and removed the quad program ,miss went away,stacked and there it was again. Pull the chips out and off to the dealer I go,tech comes for a ride,does a cylinder efficency test and says 2 injectors are no good,park the truck for a week untill we get them in. A week later the Injectors come in they install them and recheck and it fails again. Star tech tells the dealer to check compression and number 5 is 40 psi low,Star tells them to pull the head off,they do and engine has 6 scored cylinders, number 5 having a scratch in it. The dealer and star do a bunch of talking back and forth and because I blew up a intercooler several months ago they determined I was running a chip(right they were)So of course warranty was denied. No problem. Well I found another motor and started doing the swap today and descovered what happened. THE MOTOR WAS DUSTED!There is dust and grit in the pipe that goes to the intercooler as well as the pipe that goes to the head,the intercooler as well. When I get the pistons out I will post some pictures of everthing. I guess the extra timing/fuel/boost must have been blowing by or just not burning properly and causing a miss. This whole episode is going to cost me about $10000 ,so don't make the same mistake I did. Keep your stock filter. I personally don't think it was the paticular brand of filter I was running ,I just don,t think there is a aftermarket filter out there that will filter as good as the stock one in a high dust enviorment like the one I work in. My motor got dusted in less then 10000km but a good portion of that was on the Dempster hiway following big trucks. My problem was just a accelerated version of what could be happening to your truck.

 

[Van Blom]

Bhaf Filters Like The Stock

 

[Jcolburn]

Will You Let The Rest Of Us Know What Filter Or System You Used?best Of Luck On The Motor Change. would Like To See The Picts. .



2005 Quad Cab 2wd Silver Stock

John

 

[RankRam]

Thanks for the update, sorry you had this happen.



Well before every one throws their aftermarket air filters in the dumpster, spend the 12-18 dollars and get your oil tested. This is an easy and inexpensive way to verify that your air filter (stock or not) is doing it's job.

 

[BrianJ]

I have a neighbor that used to be a diesel tech for Dodge and now works in an independent shop, he said one of the best mods was to either remove the muffler or go to a high flow muffler, and the worst mod was a change to an aftermarket air filter. He STRONGLY suggested NOT to use an after market air intake and has seen many problems as a result of them.



Obviously it's a personal choice what you use, but I thought I would pass this on from someone who has seen the damage first hand many times.

 

[jwilliams3]

Its not the aftermarket air filter that caused the problem.

Its more on the side of looking after your truck after it gets modified.

You cannot expect a modified truck to "take care" of it self.



Even a stock truck should be given a "once over" on a regular basis to ensure that everything is in proper order.



Simply blaming aftermarket air filters is a sign of ignorance.

Often times, OEM filters do not flow enough or will clog overtime in certain* environments that make them marginal if not worse than an aftermarket unit in the same conditions.



Another thing, J. Davy's truck was used in a "high dust" environment that should easily call attention to the charge air and intake air system of the vehicle.



J. Davy, my post is not aimed at you.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your engine.



By the way; I am not a "dodge diesel tech", but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :-laf

 

[Parks]

One way to check and see if you air filter is filtering (stock or aftermarket) is to take the filter off and stick a clean white towel into the intake tube and see if it comes out clean. If it comes out dirty you may want to check your airfilter.

 

[jwduke]

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By the way; I am not a "dodge diesel tech", but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :-laf

:-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[J.Davy]

Its not the aftermarket air filter that caused the problem.

Its more on the side of looking after your truck after it gets modified.

You cannot expect a modified truck to "take care" of it self.





:-laf

That whole statement is 100% incorrect. Yes it is the aftermarket filter that caused the problem. Are you saying if I was running the stock one I would have had the same problem. Not a chance.

I run a gravel crusher. It is a extremley dusty enviorment. We run K-19 gensets right in the middle of this huge cloud of dust and run paper style filters and get 15000 hrs out of the motor,no problem. Obviously we change the air filters on a regular basis or they would suck together.

I am not sure what you ment by running a modified truck but there is no difference between a stock one and a modified one in terms of filtration needs. As for running a modified intake system,I researched these filters and they were supposed to be one of the best fabric style filters out there.

I take care of my truck,I change the oil more then I would like to admit simply because that big turbo I run is very smokey on the bottom end and turns my oil black very quickly. I inspect everything on a regular basis but no I did not pull off the turbo dicharge pipe while I was out in the field. I did not expect it to be getting dusted. This whole thing happened in the time interval some people do oil changes in.

 

[opiefire]

My Dodge dealership sold me my AFE high intake filter with torque tube, and they installed it for me.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

As for running a modified intake system,I researched these filters and they were supposed to be one of the best fabric style filters out there.

So you're saying it's the AFE or ?



I had a bad K&N on my 2001, it dusted my intake pretty good. I was running oil samples then and the silicate level was increased considerably. But it didn't harm the motor to speak of (truck was pretty new, less than 10k), the wear metals weren't elevated to speak up. Truck was pretty much stock then.



Sorry to hear about your motor. Vaughn

 

[MMeier]

but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :-laf

And just what were you doing there?

 

[jwilliams3]

J. Davy,

Those are just my opinions.

You have yours.



My engine still runs after 20+hooks to the sled.

 

[qzilla]

I have a hard time believing it was the sole responsibilty of the filter. I live on a dirt road and our ranch has 8 of the dustiest miles you can ever drive on, and we drive on these roads a lot. I always run an aftermarket air filter and I never see any dust getting through.



Now, I am not going to pin it on you either, but the most common reason for dirt getting through a gauze filter is because of either lack of oiling, or over oiling. Because most gauze filters are layered an improper amount of oil kills their effectiveness both on the flow bench and in filtering capability.



Without getting into a brand war, there are gauze filters that filter more than sufficiently. The brand I use is OEM for Mopar, Callaway, Saleen, and Briggs and Straton. It is also a WOVEN cotton instead of a layered gauze filter. It takes less filter media to do the filtering job because it is considerably more efficient. It also costs more. Another advantage to the woven cotton is the ability to service it correctly. Because there is less media the oil is concentrated much more evenly reducing the risk of over or under oiling the filter.



Other things to look for in a filter are the mesh structure. Most popular brands use aluminum which is less durable over the life of the filter. This is insignificant over a short period of time, but the longer you use and maintenace your filter the more the aluminum mesh will deteriorate and the easier it is to damge the filter media. My brand of choice uses stainless steel.



The last thing to look for is the process in how the rubber seal or rubber inlet is produced. Most brands have a considerable amount of rubber spread on the edges of the filter. The more efficient brands use a more costly process, but there is very little rubber molding intrusion on the filter media. Why is this important? Because of the excess molding on the filter media it reduces the airflow and therefore they must use less efficient media to obtain the desired results.



I have sold thousands upon thousands of filters and I am yet to see a dusted engine with one yet. On the other hand there are thousands upon thousands of paper filters doing the job as well. The only disadvantage to the paper is the cost associated with chaning them regularly and their lack of airflow.



Remember that if you don't change your paper filter it can do just as much damage to your truck.



I hate this happened, and I don't believe it is your fault, but I think consumers need more info to make good choices. See who is spending money on research and testing for OEM's instead of who is spending money on marketing.



I also want to applaud you on being a good sport as it appears. Hopefully you won't ever have to deal with a bad situation like this again.



Quad

 

[daveshoe]

We attended a Bobcat seminar on air filters at one of their shows. Their filters are about like a BHAF and have a filter minder like our trucks. Some facts that stuck out at me were 1. NEVER clean a filter by using an air compressor to clean it out . All you do is get dirt on the clean side of the filter or damage the media. 2. A ''dirty''filter actually filters out more fine particles than a clean one--use your filter minder to tell you when to change it,and leave the filter alone!3. Use a filter with metal cages on BOTH sides of the filter--the filter will not collapse when full [This naturally showed the need to stick with OEM for Bobcat-but with competetive pricing,why not stick with them?]

The only problem with this whole thing is that my filter minder has not budged in 40,000 miles. Is there any way to test these things?

 

[OHale]

The only problem with this whole thing is that my filter minder has not budged in 40,000 miles. Is there any way to test these things?

Something may be wrong there... I would check your air intake and intercooler plumbing to make sure than no in-leakage is bypassing your filter. Also, try resetting your filter minder to make sure it isn't stuck. Lastly, if the dealership changed your filter make sure it's in there and is undamaged!



I remember a lady telling me about having the dealership change the air filter in her car prior to going to the Danville races. It was extremely dusty the whole week she was there and she was so glad she had gotten a new filter. When she got home she opened the filter box to see how much dust and dirt had collected. No filter! The mechanic forgot one little thing...



Things like that do happen.

 

[J.Davy]

I have a hard time believing it was the sole responsibilty of the filter. I live on a dirt road and our ranch has 8 of the dustiest miles you can ever drive on, and we drive on these roads a lot. I always run an aftermarket air filter and I never see any dust getting through.









Quad

Keep in mind this is a big cone style filter,it let enough dirt through to show signs of wear on my impeller blades. The Yukon is a dirt road. Well not quite but it is a dry climate with most roads being B. S. T. rather than ashphalt,alot of constuction and dirt roads as well. The Dempster Hiway is a dirt road comprised of shale and sandstone. Desert Sand is not what passes through these filter it is the fine sand and silt that does and causes the damage. I will admit it was a stupid mistake on my part to use a aftermarket filter in such a dirty enviorment,however I don't think anyone else will have the same problem as I did in such a short period of time, if ever. If you live in a big city or on the coast your truck would probably go forever,just to completely different situations.

 

[Loaded 45]

If you live in a big city or on the coast your truck would probably go forever,just to completely different situations.



Agree 100% on this statement - Most trucks on this site are highway queens - they maybe pull down a short track in a slightly dusty condition - Big deal.

My truck gets about 75 % of its life in extreeme conditions- dust - like flour,mud,snow

Instead of a track,it gets to see how well it can get through 2 feet of mud getting to work. The AFE I used always let dust into the intake tube. Tried 2 different filters & 2 different intake hose assemblys - for me the afe sucked - dust that is. The more horse power you have to use - if you have it the more air - dust -cats that have to be filtered.

What Im saying is - if you use your truck in brutal enviroments - its extreemely hard to keep that open filter clean - even with the power robbing afe filter cover. Then its getting cleaned more than it should & more than likely cleaned inproperly ie wont work right.

 

[Davey]

Something may be wrong there... I would check your air intake and intercooler plumbing to make sure than no in-leakage is bypassing your filter.

Might be something to check.



I've worked in the Zama area of northern Alberta and we drove for an 1 1/2 hours to get to work and, like you, the traffic was unbelievably busy for a dirt road in the middle of no where. The dust would literally hang in the air for about 30-40 minutes(Like flour as Loaded 45 mentioned)



At the time (5-6 years ago) I was running a K&N and when the inlet was taken off, it was clean as usual, although the filter had caught untold amounts of dirt, as I took some time to clean it. Driving in those worst of possible conditions gave me faith to keep running cotton gauze filters, although I have switched from K&N.

fwiw

 

[OHale]

Might be something to check.



I've worked in the Zama area of northern Alberta and we drove for an 1 1/2 hours to get to work and, like you, the traffic was unbelievably busy for a dirt road in the middle of no where. The dust would literally hang in the air for about 30-40 minutes(Like flour as Loaded 45 mentioned)

fwiw

My all-time worst air situation was when I lived in Spokane WA in 1980. I got home from an air show and two hours later volcanic ash began to fall: Mount St. Helens had erupted.



The ash was so fine it went past oil filters and totalled engines. It was thick on the ground until a few heavy rains had it gone in about two weeks. I parked my Land Cruiser and walked to work for two weeks and it saved my engine. The insurance companies were busy that month. I saw a local TV news piece with a mechanic holding up the oil pan from a car. The bottom was full of volcanic ash (pumice. )



The PD jury-rigged oil bath Kenworth aircleaners to their cruisers. Quite a sight seeing a Crown Vic with a big can air cleaner rigged to the front.



Sheesh I'm getting old when everything reminds me of a story!!