2010 Dodge 2500 vs 2011 Ford F250

[HBarlow]

Doesn't that put it over the 26,000 max combined rating? What's the point of towing over 21,000# if you're illegally doing so.

Nope. That 26,000 lbs. is a gross combined weight rating, (manufacturer's towing capability) not actual weight. The DOT doesn't know or care what GCWR a manufacturer assigns to their trucks.

The number DOT will look at, for a non-CDL driver, is actual over the scales weight and/or the sum of truck GVWR and trailer GVWR. If either number (rated or actual weight) exceeds 26,000 lbs. the driver must have a CDL but only if he is engaged in commercial transportation.

If the driver has a CDL Class A 26,000 lbs. means nothing.

If it is a privately owned RV, a CDL is not required. However, there is one caveat: Some states including Texas now require a Class A Operator license for motorhomes or private trailers where the gross combined exceeds 26,000 lbs. I don't know if that is being enforced but at some point it can be.

But back to the main discussion . . . personally, I also believe competition is good but I know that there is no industry standard agreed on by the light truck manufacturers for rating towing and gross combined weights. The manufacturer can make up any number it wishes. I believe that Dodge and Cummins claim very conservative numbers. Most of us have towed more than the rated weights specified by Dodge and most of us have seen hotshotters and RVers on the highways pulling loads that clearly exceed Dodge's ratings by 50% or more.

It appears to me that Furd wins hands down in the outrageous claims department.

It makes no difference to me what Furd claims or how good their product may turn out to be, I am not interested and will not be buying one. I never owned a Dodge prior to '01 when I bought my first Dodge-Cummins 3500. As long as I can buy parts for the one I have or a replacement truck from Dodge w/Cummins engine, that's all I will buy.

 

[craiggo]

IMHO, it all boils down to the overall package, not just HP/TQ ratings. Ford may have more HP/TQ and be a 2011. But for me (and I just compared the two and ordered the Dodge) paying $10k more for similar options, Urea injection and the general Ford gamble (which all their trucks have been since 2004) was just not worth the 75 more HP. I can easily add that kind of power to the Cummins with a few tweaks. I was way more comfortable spending $50k on technology that has been around and is tried and true.



Maybe a few years from now I'd have made a different decision but in all reality, how fast the truck was meant nothing to me especially since my last truck (2006 PowerStroke) ran to the dealer for repairs like a raped ape. And that's not a dog on Ford, per say, but a fair honest comparison on a 2010 Dodge and 2011 Ford.

 

[robertyoke]

I'll bet the Mega had 3:42 and the Ford had 4:10 rears.

nope the ford had 355 and the dodge 373 but the dodge did have 315's on it

 

[CBlack]

Nope. That 26,000 lbs. is a gross combined weight rating, (manufacturer's towing capability) not actual weight. The DOT doesn't know or care what GCWR a manufacturer assigns to their trucks.



The number DOT will look at, for a non-CDL driver, is actual over the scales weight and/or the sum of truck GVWR and trailer GVWR. If either number (rated or actual weight) exceeds 26,000 lbs. the driver must have a CDL but only if he is engaged in commercial transportation.



If the driver has a CDL Class A 26,000 lbs. means nothing.



If it is a privately owned RV, a CDL is not required. However, there is one caveat: Some states including Texas now require a Class A Operator license for motorhomes or private trailers where the gross combined exceeds 26,000 lbs. I don't know if that is being enforced but at some point it can be.



But back to the main discussion . . . personally, I also believe competition is good but I know that there is no industry standard agreed on by the light truck manufacturers for rating towing and gross combined weights. The manufacturer can make up any number it wishes. I believe that Dodge and Cummins claim very conservative numbers. Most of us have towed more than the rated weights specified by Dodge and most of us have seen hotshotters and RVers on the highways pulling loads that clearly exceed Dodge's ratings by 50% or more.



It appears to me that Furd wins hands down in the outrageous claims department.



It makes no difference to me what Furd claims or how good their product may turn out to be, I am not interested and will not be buying one. I never owned a Dodge prior to '01 when I bought my first Dodge-Cummins 3500. As long as I can buy parts for the one I have or a replacement truck from Dodge w/Cummins engine, that's all I will buy.

Thanks for the clarification. I had always thought that the GCWR was the max. allowable by law weight to be had by non-CDL drivers.

 

[RVTRKN]

nope the ford had 355 and the dodge 373 but the dodge did have 315's on it

If I was in the market for a new truck I would test drive one for myself and compare apples to apples, but I'm not and so I won't, I will just have to rely on every one's opinion. I do know this though, the record that Ford has with me personally with every Ford I have owned is the worst Make you can buy. I have owned many different makes over the years and Ford is the only manufacture I will no longer buy from, period! They have cost me lots of dollars every time I have given a Ford a chance. My opinion would only be biased. I'll just laugh as I pass up the next 2011 Ford towing heavy, with my 22K GCVW up a steep grade. :-laf

 

[robertyoke]

If I was in the market for a new truck I would test drive one for myself and compare apples to apples, but I'm not and so I won't, I will just have to rely on every one's opinion. I do know this though, the record that Ford has with me personally with every Ford I have owned is the worst Make you can buy. I have owned many different makes over the years and Ford is the only manufacture I will no longer buy from, period! They have cost me lots of dollars every time I have given a Ford a chance. My opinion would only be biased. I'll just laugh as I pass up the next 2011 Ford towing heavy, with my 22K GCVW up a steep grade. :-laf

I hear ya... . I think fords are ok, its just been the 6. 0 diesel that has held the trucks back. the 6. 4 seem like a ok motor, for the short time out, but now gone.

I really would like to have a bigger back seat, but its been tough after driving the new trucks then I jump in my 03 and it still drives like new (original front end btw) and it has so much more power then the new ford and dodge (i think adding them together would be a good match for the 03)

 

[Grizzly]

If I was in the market for a new truck I would test drive one for myself and compare apples to apples, but I'm not and so I won't, I will just have to rely on every one's opinion. I do know this though, the record that Ford has with me personally with every Ford I have owned is the worst Make you can buy. I have owned many different makes over the years and Ford is the only manufacture I will no longer buy from, period! They have cost me lots of dollars every time I have given a Ford a chance. My opinion would only be biased. I'll just laugh as I pass up the next 2011 Ford towing heavy, with my 22K GCVW up a steep grade. :-laf

I can not agree with you more. I too had bad experience with two miserable furds and will never buy another and I don't care how much HP and Torque they put in them. My 5. 9 does what I want it to do and I don't have to run it to the shop all the time. In fact, it's never been in the shop and neither was the 95.



george

 

[domehead]

I own a 2005 Ford excursion with the 6. 0 and it been pretty much trouble free. It has 125000 plus on it and it has towed heavy. It has been moved to the family transport side and it no longer has to be truck also. I just had to many issues with the local Ford dealers to. Even think about another one.

for those who will buy new Ford best of luck and I hope it works out. I will stay with Dodge and the low end power

 

[domehead]

I own a 2005 Ford excursion with the 6. 0 and it been pretty much trouble free. It has 125000 plus on it and it has towed heavy. It has been moved to the family transport side and it no longer has to be truck also. I just had to many issues with the local Ford dealers to. Even think about another one.



for those who will buy new Ford best of luck and I hope it works out. I will stay with Dodge and the low end power

 

[HBarlow]

Yep, it's pretty difficult for a Furd owner to defend the record of the Sick. Ohh engine under any terms.

Besides that, they steer slowly and awkwardly feeling heavier and less nimble than a Ram.

No thanks, Furd. Not for me.

 

[FDavid]

Usually the best running thing on a Powerstroke is the owners mouth.

 

[Grizzly]

Usually the best running thing on a Powerstroke is the owners mouth.

You've got that right Jack, I mean Dave.

 

[Wingate]

Lets see, I counted four (4) individual FORD advertisements on that page. Not including the "Sponsored Links" section that advertised Ford dealerships and DODGE RAM PROBLEMS, go to LEMON LAW. NET! This whole page was designed and pushed by Ford... I just hope they did as much design work on their new engine!!!!. .

Not to mention the fact that every picture showing both the Ford and Dodge had the Ford in front... I mean, how did anybody really THINK this "comparison" was gonna go??. .

Its almost as bad as the trans. test they supposedly did where they were so proud that they ran it at full load for llike 200K miles..... blah blah blah...

 

[ahpn]

Usually the best running thing on a Powerstroke is the owners mouth.

Now thats funny.

 

[Grizzly]

Lets see, I counted four (4) individual FORD advertisements on that page. Not including the "Sponsored Links" section that advertised Ford dealerships and DODGE RAM PROBLEMS, go to LEMON LAW. NET! This whole page was designed and pushed by Ford... I just hope they did as much design work on their new engine!!!!. .

Not to mention the fact that every picture showing both the Ford and Dodge had the Ford in front... I mean, how did anybody really THINK this "comparison" was gonna go??. .

Its almost as bad as the trans. test they supposedly did where they were so proud that they ran it at full load for llike 200K miles..... blah blah blah...

Good observation and comment Wingate. I didn't expect anything different since it is Ford that keeps lining Motor Trend's pockets with money by doing the most advertising. I can understand why they alway place Ford in front of Dodge in their photos, which is a tactic to belittle Dodge and make Ford look superior. If Motor Trend placed Dodge in front of Ford and said better things about them, Motor Trend would be shooting themselves in the foot.



george

 

[HBarlow]

Motor Trend and sister rag Truck Trend are nothing more than paid advertising. Both publications have as much credibility as the national propaganda media.

 

[RonD]

You Guys have to look at the whole picture, I saw the page on the new Ford, first it is the first 2011 HD Truck on the market, why would they park the Dodge in front of it, they could have parked a GMC there and kept Dodge off the photo completely, also there are 3 links on that page to Dodge articles also, next month is the 2011 GMC and Chevy HD, this year don't forget Dodge HD was and is the Motor Trend truck of the year, when Dodge puts there 2011 out Motor Trend will do the same thing, and yes there are in the business of selling advertising, and there magazine, and some future truck buyers do read them.

 

[domehead]

Time will tell if the new motor from ford is what it is hyped to be. Until it get's into the hands of the working class it's nothing but vapor ware. As we know the mighty C is a work horse and the the truck around it has been improved 100 percent. Ford and GM has long road to haul to make real in roads into the market.

 

[RonD]

Cummins without question builds a great engine, Ford has to prove that there new 6. 7 is what they claim it is, agreed, the big question is Chrysler is in the tank sales and earning wise, so forget the engine, where will the company be this time next year, Ford is making money, someone is buying there product, GM is sort of moving Tarp money from one account to another, so who knows, Chrysler is not doing well, but there isn't much talk that I hear, so in the real world all three have issues to overcome.