2010 Hyundai Elantra Transaxle Shift Quality

[GCroyle]

Guys,



Looking for help from automatic transmission experts for my Daughter's car. 2010 Elantra at 65,000 miles has developed a harsh upshift especially on colder mornings. She is 2nd owner so 100,000 mile warranty does not apply. At the Huyndai dealership now, test drove and confirmed concern. They did the Transaxle Adaptive Reset Procedure and no change. Dealership is advising a complete transaxle replacement with Hyundai remanufactured. They do not repair transaxles on site. They did not change the fluid or drop the pan and inspect, sorta feels like, Hey Boss, it's another transaxle job.



It doesn't take much searching to find similar problems online, but I didn't see solutions.



Q. Does anyone know if the new reman transaxle is actually fixed/updated to eliminate the original failure?



Q. Can a qualified transmission shop actually fix the real problem?



Other suggestions.



Thanks,



Gary

 

[mwilson]

Guys,



Looking for help from automatic transmission experts for my Daughter's car. 2010 Elantra at 65,000 miles has developed a harsh upshift especially on colder mornings. She is 2nd owner so 100,000 mile warranty does not apply. At the Huyndai dealership now, test drove and confirmed concern. They did the Transaxle Adaptive Reset Procedure and no change. Dealership is advising a complete transaxle replacement with Hyundai remanufactured. They do not repair transaxles on site. They did not change the fluid or drop the pan and inspect, sorta feels like, Hey Boss, it's another transaxle job.



It doesn't take much searching to find similar problems online, but I didn't see solutions.



Q. Does anyone know if the new reman transaxle is actually fixed/updated to eliminate the original failure?



Q. Can a qualified transmission shop actually fix the real problem?



Other suggestions.



Thanks,



Gary

Gary,

Was the transmission fluid changed before at some point??



I think those take the same fluid as the Aisin which is the Mobil ATF 3309.



Maybe some jiffy quicky place put the wrong stuff in it before your daughter purchased it???? I'd almost try a fluid and filter change just for grins... .



Mike.

 

[GCroyle]

Mike,



Daughter has not changed fluid. Dealership advised that 1st fluid change is due at 80,000 miles. Car had 36,000 miles when purchased from used car dealer, was from rental fleet, so pretty doubtful than anyone did a fluid change.



She appealed to HMC, they declined to assist.



Thanks,



Gary

 

[GCroyle]

Guys,



Thought I'd offer an update. Vehicle has only been to Huyndai dealership so far and I had a follow up discussion looking for a certain possible fix part, found out car does not have said sensor per HMC and they don't even offer a filter for the transaxle. They flush it using several gallons of HMC transmission fluid etc, etc. Oh, your car came from a rental fleet, you know that means they drove it like they stole it!



No one seems to know what is wrong, only answer R&R at just under $3K.



Venting a bit.

 

[GCroyle]

The Rest of the Story

Hyundai dealership's answer was replace transaxle, period with no hope of some internal repair, no answer what was wrong or how it happened.



1st Trans shop, we'll we tested and you have a pressure problem, that'l be $$$ just to get it out and see where we are. I inquired further, then what? Well the list of required we have to replace that part list grew and grew w/o even finding the cause. Approached dealership price of complete exchange. Not a good feeling. Seemed like a hook price then you're locked in on their bench.



Many phone calls and emails trying to troubleshoot what is wrong and does Dad have a chance at fixing it, several good theories, but w/o dropping the pan, no sure thing in sight.



2nd trans shop, yes we duplicated your concern, you have a clutch problem. Daughter gave them the go ahead. Teardown revealed an apparent piece of friction material was missing and some debris was found also the valve body was NG, new one from Dealer only, new valve body alone was just south of $1000, plus this plus that and then this OH BOY here we go. Or option, here is a quote for a NEW Huyndai transaxle, get it in a few days, couple bucks over the repair pricing. Dad advised daughter to ask one precise absolute question, is this NEW or REMAN. Shop in writing, its new. OK NEW Hyundai transaxle it is.



NEW Transaxle is installed, noted on invoice NEW, car runs like new, life is good, right? I hoped to see old parts, but they were hustled back to dealership due to a CORE charge being applied, hey wait, the invoice said new, don't we own that old transaxle now?



Dad open hood, finds Huyndai tag, Googles said tag, tag = Huyndai REMANUFACTURED. Much discussion.



Last nite follow up to check on car, they test drive, all is well. Dad shows up, Daughter finally presents info you quoted NEW, you invoiced NEW, Hyundai tag is REMANUFACTURED.



About 10 minutes later of trying to make the trans shop person understand that we as non transmission people expected NEW, your wrote NEW, you installed REMAN (at reman price BTW, it was not a new price) this became a football of mis-understanding being kicked for several minutes. The shops answer was well it came in on a pallet, etc etc we didn't reman it, it has ALL NEW internals, it's new aint it?



Not much was gained other than airing our view point of NEW vs REMANUFACTURED. Please note, this is not throwing rocks at REMAN, its using the correct name to describe what product you are suppling and at what price. Are those new tires, take offs, recaps, or used?



I doubt that that shop will ever use the phrase NEW on a quote or invoice w/o dotting all the I's and crossing the T's 1st.

 

[HBarlow]

Gary,

I would guess that transmission is an Aisin and you may find it if you spend a little time on google. Aisin makes a long line of transmissions for just about every name tag.

I would have suggested dealer reman at step one. I have read that a manufacturer's reman is the only transmission repair available for VWs like my Jetta Sport Wagen TDI as well.

I don't think anyone in the country has parts or skills for repairing the automatic transmissions used across the board now and I doubt the ability of small independent shops to even diagnose them accurately. I surely would not trust one of the franchised transmission repair facilities.

 

[GCroyle]

Harvey,



This has been a learning lesson for me and my Daughter. Huyndai was of no significant help, another transaxle bites the dust, they did not earn our trust and the price was sticker shock. In researching this I called on one of my most trusted and trained industry friends. In addition to his patient listening and theorizing via long distance he related a case where at another import dealer even if the problem is EXTERNAL like a switch, NOPE, replace transaxle. Daughter hoped Dad could pull one out for her and save the hard earned bucks that this took. Not this time. Can't prove or disprove the Aisin theory, but I kinda doubt that the Korean company outsourced this to another country, but just don't know.



I wonder how the TDR community would feel about disposable automatic transmissions in their trucks?

 

[HBarlow]

Gary,

I took a quick look at wikipedia.


- Admin note: link to it next time, please don't paste in entire articles. Thanks.

 

[JR]

I feel your frustration, Gary. Its a real shame Huyndai can't even offer training to their techs to troubleshoot and repair the BASIC functions of their transmisions. I would be surprised if any of the manufacturers do in house rebuilds (maybe they do) but I wonder how many people are forced to replace an entire trans over a simple fix like a bad solenoid or a valvebody...

 

[mwilson]

I feel your frustration, Gary. Its a real shame Huyndai can't even offer training to their techs to troubleshoot and repair the BASIC functions of their transmisions. I would be surprised if any of the manufacturers do in house rebuilds (maybe they do) but I wonder how many people are forced to replace an entire trans over a simple fix like a bad solenoid or a valvebody...

All of the Aisin transmissions cores that we remove from the FUSO trucks go to these folks in Plymouth, Michigan.



I think you will find that are only a few certified rebuilders in the whole US.



http://www.awtec.com/



And a timeline as they have added OEM's at the bottom of the page.....



http://www.awtec.com/about





Mike.

 

[JR]

I can understand how it would not be cost effective or efficient to put an auto tech through the necessary training to rebuild a transmission That's a whole can of worms in itself. But as in Gary's case, can the failure of a simple sensor/solenoid internally be all that it takes to deem something a "failed unit"? Maybe it was more than that but without basic troubleshooting of such components he and obviously many others will never know. Just doesn't seem right.