2017 F250/350 to copy many RAM features.

[SnoKing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKSBfG0Bclw

 

[AnOldBiker]

Seems like they are improving the Super Duty alot. But after owning the old 6.0 liter diesel, I'm still backish on even considering one. You can get kicked by a mule just so many times before you get gun shy of mules.

 

[Mingoglia]

I really wish I was able to get the adaptive cruise control on my '15, and the blind spot lights/warnings are pretty convenient. I have both of these in my '14 Durango (including accident mitigation). Adaptive cruise is real nice for stop and go traffic, and in my Durango it will bring the vehicle to a complete stop if necessary. With the blind spot lights it's another "lazy" option for me. Rather than looking at the blind spot I can just out of the corner of my eye notice if the light is NOT on, then check my mirrors and start the move over. I've pulled trailers my whole life and don't need this, but it's kinda nice to have now that I've lived with it in my other vehicle.

I like the additional cameras as well. Wish Ram made those an option. Again, not necessary, but it's still a cool option. We all know Ford is going to launch this thing with 905 ft/lbs or something just above the Ram. The HP will of course naturally be a good deal higher since it's a V configuration and will get 2mpg when spinning 4,000+ RMP doing so.

 

[AnOldBiker]

There are many new safety features developed over the years that can make it safer for the drivers. But people tend to trust mechanical features to make it safer more than physically and mentally controlling the equipment themselves. Human nature is to quit looking for objects in what we call a blind spot since we have a device to let us know something is there. Why learn to parrallel park when we can have the vehicle do it ? Why check tire pressure each week when we can wait for alight on the dash to come on ? And so on ...

I like the added safety features, but question this, when you notice a majority of people trending to 'depend' on these devices when traveling each day instead of fully controlling / maintaining the vehicle themselves. Especially since these devices can and/or will malfunction sooner or later. And their pushing for fully automated vehicles ? Is there a point of being ... to much for our own good ?

 

[Simplysmn]

That Front end is Just Plain BUTT UGLY sorry .

 

[AnOldBiker]

That Front end is Just Plain BUTT UGLY sorry .

That is a statement no one can argue with

 

[DonFitzwater]

Seems like they are improving the Super Duty alot. But after owning the old 6.0 liter diesel, I'm still backish on even considering one. You can get kicked by a mule just so many times before you get gun shy of mules.

My mule was a Ford 6.7 that made its inside parts "outside parts". I'm still gun shy about those new strokes.

 

[jgillott]

My mule was a Ford 6.7 that made its inside parts "outside parts". I'm still gun shy about those new strokes.

For as many times as they claim that they have the issues worked out, they still seem to suffering the same problems. We have a large Ford dealer here just a couple of miles from my house. They constantly have a half dozen or more Superduty diesels sitting behind the service department in various stages of repair.

With that said, I had the chance to drive a 2016 F350 the other weekend with the 6.7L and the tall 3.31 gears. Dang thing was a runner for sure. In the couple of hundred miles I drove it, it was impressive. It's too bad that they haven't been able to work out the reliability issues. They certainly have the power in stock trim.

 

[TJJEEPER]

The HP/Torque wars continue. At some point they're going to have to put some pretty monstrous rear ends in these truck to tame the torque.


I suspect Ram will just have Cummins retune the engines to top whatever Ford comes up with BUT we don't have to remove our cabs to service the engines!

 

[SnoKing]

All the big numbers are rarely in play as torque management protects the drive system! SNOKING

 

[Grizzly]

That is a statement no one can argue with

I totally agree with the Front end is Just Plain BUTT UGLY.

 

[SnoKing]

So was watching the Seahawks beat the Browns and Ford had commercials about their "Military Grade Aluminum" truck bodies! That got me thinking about the Falklands war!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/11/u...in-shipbuilding-after-cracks-in-aluminum.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/10/world/falkland-aftermath-a-naval-debate.html

Make mine steel please, even if it does weigh over 9K ready to tow! SNOKING

 

[Jim W]

So was watching the Seahawks beat the Browns and Ford had commercials about their "Military Grade Aluminum" truck bodies! That got me thinking about the Falklands war!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/11/u...in-shipbuilding-after-cracks-in-aluminum.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/10/world/falkland-aftermath-a-naval-debate.html

Make mine steel please, even if it does weigh over 9K ready to tow! SNOKING

Yea; but it is military grade AL! Also Ford had a test mule burn to the ground in 2014 out west, see the attached link.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/08/04/fire-reveals-secret-prototype-ford-truck/

Jim

 

[DonFitzwater]

For as many times as they claim that they have the issues worked out, they still seem to suffering the same problems. We have a large Ford dealer here just a couple of miles from my house. They constantly have a half dozen or more Superduty diesels sitting behind the service department in various stages of repair.

With that said, I had the chance to drive a 2016 F350 the other weekend with the 6.7L and the tall 3.31 gears. Dang thing was a runner for sure. In the couple of hundred miles I drove it, it was impressive. It's too bad that they haven't been able to work out the reliability issues. They certainly have the power in stock trim.

That's how I felt about my Ford. It really impressed me and had decent fuel economy. The truck (at the time) was far superior to Dodge and I rolled the dice on the diesel. I lost. I believed the local service manager that I was the "only one" with catastrophic failure, then I met the owner of a construction company that had purchased a small fleet of them. He had the same issues and worse. After that, every time I drove past the Ford dealer I'd take a look at how many 6.7 badges were in the back lot. Seemed to be quite a few and some would be there for weeks. Too many of them had cabs off.

 

[SnoKing]

Yea; but it is military grade AL! Also Ford had a test mule burn to the ground in 2014 out west, see the attached link.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/08/04/fire-reveals-secret-prototype-ford-truck/

Jim

Just about any real vehicle fire is going to total it. So the fact that the body melts at 1800 vs 2800 is not that big a deal I guest.

Now fixing dings and wrecks is a completely different issue with aluminum panels. Insurance companies will reflect that in rates.

SNOKING