2018 Ram, oil drain plug damage found on 1st oil change

[pwr2tow]

It is true that the valve would make taking oil samples easier according to the recommended procedure of collecting mid stream.

I collect mine from the return to the oil filler cap of the bypass filter. The reason i would never install a fumoto is becauae the bottom of the oil pan is one if the places where oil circulates less vigorously. It might get stirred up a bit from the oil uptake, but i doubt it. So i expect a bunch of soot will stick together down there and muck up. Maybe even eventually sludge up?

I highly doubt the soot would clump up or sludge up especially with modern oils. It would have to be severely neglected for that to happen.

 

[jhenderson]

No doubt!

I do have a Fumoto on my Boat to make life MUCH easier. I will attach a clear tube to it and run out of the drain hole into a bucket. when fully done draining I will remove Fumoto and see how much will drain out into a small pan.

Great product just NOT for my RAM.

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It doesn’t look like a 6.7 Cummins in your boat.

 

[Cummins12V98]

It doesn’t look like a 6.7 Cummins in your boat.

Not sure your point?

 

[jhenderson]

We’re talking about the oil that might be left in a 6.7 using a quick drain. Any oil left in another engine has no bearing on this discussion. Different pan thickness, different drain valve part number. You may as well reference a quick drain in WWII Sherman tank.

 

[BDaugherty]

There’s a LOT of oil left in an engine after draining. I rolled a set of main bearings into a C13 Cat that sat in my shop with the oil pan off for a week and it still had plenty of oil coming out when the main caps were pulled. Whatever small amout of oil may be held in the pan by a Fumoto drain plug is nothing compared the what’s in the oil galleries, bearings, oil cooler, recesses on the cylinder head, etc. You are worrying about nothing. Fumoto drain plugs are the best in my opinion. I have one on all my vehicles. Helps to prevent problems with drain plug threads, too.

 

[gsbrockman]

Helps to prevent problems with drain plug threads, too.

Only unless one is a buffoon and overtightens the drain plug with any regularity.

I’ve been changing oil in my own vehicles since 1979 or so and have never stripped a drain plug or rounded off the shoulders.

 

[Newsa]

Never cross threaded, overtightened or stripped a drain plug thread in 40 years of changing oil on my or my girlfriends cars or trucks.

I have replaced the plugs and washers as recommended by the manufacturer even though they still seem to have life left in them.

The oil gallery, bearings, coolers , pumps, recesses spoken of are all under pressure of moving oil. The bottom of the pan is a sludge bucket.

I prefer not to run my fresh oil through a sludge bucket

 

[TFucili]

I see what you are saying, but with proper maintenance, and modern oils, especially synthetics, I just don't see a meaningful amount of sludge building up.

 

[JR]

First world problems

 

[Jim W]

It is true that the valve would make taking oil samples easier according to the recommended procedure of collecting mid stream.

I collect mine from the return to the oil filler cap of the bypass filter. The reason i would never install a fumoto is becauae the bottom of the oil pan is one if the places where oil circulates less vigorously. It might get stirred up a bit from the oil uptake, but i doubt it. So i expect a bunch of soot will stick together down there and muck up. Maybe even eventually sludge up?

Newsa, I installed my Fumoto oil Drain valve in 2010 on my truck, when I started doing my own oil changes. I do OA's on all my oil changes using the Fumoto drain valve to take my samples. Every sample that I have taken has shown <.1 % of soot level in my oil after 7,500 miles or 6 months which ever comes first. I do use Shell Rotella 15W-40 year round with the Fleetguard oil filters being used. The oil lab that does my sampling is a Fleetguard lab.
So, I would not worry about sludge build up in the pan when using a Fumoto oil drain valve. In my humble opinion.

 

[kthaxton]

I too, just pull my Fumoto out after it drains...there isn't much that comes out.

 

[CBari]

The Fumoto type of drain plug leves even more old oil in the pan.

I had always thought it might leave a little but in my little experiment it left none. I was selling my 04 and it was due for an oil change so I changed the oil with the Fumoto drain that I have had in the truck for 200k miles. When it was done draining I removed the Fumoto valve and NO OIL came out. So for my 04 truck it drains the same as the factory plug does.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Sounds like it's an application issue, or not!

 

[Cummins2014]

Show me.

I would love too, next time I will video draining with the Fumoto, then pulling the Fumoto . Be skeptical if you want, but when I did it, it overfilled a 16 oz. plastic cup. If thats acceptable to you great, it was not for me .

On edit, you can drill some holes in the threads ,and it will let it drain as much as the OEM ,but not unless you do .

 

[Cummins2014]

Only unless one is a buffoon and overtightens the drain plug with any regularity.

I’ve been changing oil in my own vehicles since 1979 or so and have never stripped a drain plug or rounded off the shoulders.

I have been changing oil in my vehicles since I got my drivers license 1963, never had an issue with the plugs , do I win

 

[Cummins2014]

I had always thought it might leave a little but in my little experiment it left none. I was selling my 04 and it was due for an oil change so I changed the oil with the Fumoto drain that I have had in the truck for 200k miles. When it was done draining I removed the Fumoto valve and NO OIL came out. So for my 04 truck it drains the same as the factory plug does.

Well it does not in my 2014, its a fact, and there is a reason .

 

[Cummins2014]

I too, just pull my Fumoto out after it drains...there isn't much that comes out.

16 oz is too much for me, the object for me is to get as much out as possible, the Fumoto does not allow that .

 

[kthaxton]

16 oz is too much for me, the object for me is to get as much out as possible, the Fumoto does not allow that .

Well then....just remove the valve once it drains....unless your sole purpose for the Fumoto was to avoid the laborious task of removing the drain plug.

 

[Newsa]

Well then....just remove the valve once it drains....unless your sole purpose for the Fumoto was to avoid the laborious task of removing the drain plug.

The the sole reason for the valve would be oil sampling..... I suppose?


I think if you are leaving 16+ oz of old oil in, you shouldn't bother doing it hot. If you are leaving old oil in, might as well change it cold..... Unless you are sampling

 

[jhenderson]

The only guy here who claims 1/2 a quart left in the pan. What’s the chances it’s the valve vs the operator?