2019 first look

[Ram4Sam]

I personally would not be concerned about a CGI block holding up. Ball bearings are manufactured from powdered metal and they hold up. I just see the CGI block as great new technology to build stronger, lighter, and more powerful engines.

It would be really cool to get a tech briefing on engine, frame, and other components manufacturing processes and materials being used in the new trucks. I think frames would be interesting.

I agree that an new transmission with an 8 or 10 speed would be awesome.

Cheers, Ron

https://www.drivingline.com/article...m_medium=email&utm_campaign=mailchimp_dlenews

 

[Wiredawg]

https://www.drivingline.com/article...m_medium=email&utm_campaign=mailchimp_dlenews

Wow, I knew I was correct about the strength of the block, but nice to see how right I am.

Thanks, Ron

 

[AH64ID]

When I swung by the dealership on Thursday to pick up some mud flaps for my '18 they had a couple of '19 2500's in stock.

I don't like the way they look, mainly the headlights fenders. Just too much for me.

I didn't have time to poke around the inside of them thou.

Can't wait to see if the CP4 does better for Cummins than GM.

 

[Newsa]

Hmmmm. The article says "the block is 60 lbs lighter). I guess that would be without the other weight savings in brackets and other lighter materials that are not the engine block?

 

[JR]

Cummins lists a 60 lb delta between the 19 engine and 18 and prior. 1120 lbs dry weight up to 18, 1060 lbs dry for the 19.

http://www.cumminshub.com/67.html


With the new valve train I wouldn't be surprised to see 10w30 slated into these new engines in the near future, or at a minimum alot wider ambient temperature allowance.
As an aside, The 6.4 Navistar engine was CGI. It had lots of issues mostly related to emissions but those engines are some real mules when put in the right hands . Theyre pretty popular with the sled pullers.

 

[sag2]

Many engines are already made of CGI, and have been for a few years. It is a proven technology, at least in gas engines.

 

[Cummins12V98]

theres a new 6.7 at the dealer here. nice looking but first thing i noticed is how low it sits. pretty sure it 1-2" lower than previous year. i hear ford is lowering their trucks as well. theyre all look like chevy soon. i guess grampa got his wish

Did it have factory Rear Air Ride?

 

[crazy jerry]

Did it have factory Rear Air Ride?

didnt pay attention to that. all i seen was its a 3500 with leaf springs

 

[Newsa]

I suspect the lowered the suspension. And also lowered the engine in the engine compartment..... To reduce rollover risk?

I don't like the sound od the fuel injection pump.

The valve train and low friction piston rings are mods they could have done much sooner.

Learn something new every day. I didn't realize the high output version of the engine had a lower compression ratio than the regular output version.

 

[PBJ2500CTD]

https://www.drivingline.com/article...m_medium=email&utm_campaign=mailchimp_dlenews

Hmmm...The valves per cylinder is interesting...must be some pretty tiny valves... Other than that, it sure sounds like a big improvement and a beast in the flesh.

New Rockers and Head
Under the valve cover, and as you might’ve imagined with hydraulic lifters in the mix, the rocker arms have no provision for valve adjustment. The head itself is all-new, still features a cast-iron construction and 24-valves per cylinder, but is equipped with upgraded exhaust valves to better cope with additional heat, along with stiffer valve springs.​

 

[DonFitzwater]

Hopefully they have better quality roller lifters than Ford uses. I like roller lifters but in a diesel, it better be high quality.

 

[TFucili]

Hopefully they have better quality roller lifters than Ford uses. I like roller lifters but in a diesel, it better be high quality.

Yup, rollers and the CP4 pump are my two biggest durability concerns. The scissor gear on the cam is questionable, too, and I am not a real big fan of low tension rings in a work engine that is supposed to be built for the long-haul.

 

[Cummins2014]

theres a new 6.7 at the dealer here. nice looking but first thing i noticed is how low it sits. pretty sure it 1-2" lower than previous year. i hear ford is lowering their trucks as well. theyre all look like chevy soon. i guess grampa got his wish

Not sure grandpa got anything, but the height of them was getting stupid, and an issue with many fifth wheel owners. These trucks are actually used by many for what they were intended , not just show ,and tell

 

[Newsa]

Hmmm...The valves per cylinder is interesting...must be some pretty tiny valves... Other than that, it sure sounds like a big improvement and a beast in the flesh.

New Rockers and Head
Under the valve cover, and as you might’ve imagined with hydraulic lifters in the mix, the rocker arms have no provision for valve adjustment. The head itself is all-new, still features a cast-iron construction and 24-valves per cylinder, but is equipped with upgraded exhaust valves to better cope with additional heat, along with stiffer valve springs.​

Typo!!!!!! 24 valves per cylinder! 144 valve engine! Lolz!

 

[Wiredawg]

Friends,

On the Ram website, I built a 2019 Ram Tradesman Crew Cab 3500 4x4 HO Cummins, Max Tow Pkg, for less than $61K. I built a loaded Limited for almost $88K. Not bad.

Who's going to be the first TDR member to get one of these beasts?

Cheers,

Ron

 

[Newsa]

Friends,

On the Ram website, I built a 2019 Ram Tradesman Crew Cab 3500 4x4 HO Cummins, Max Tow Pkg, for less than $61K. I built a loaded Limited for almost $88K. Not bad.

Who's going to be the first TDR member to get one of these beasts?

Cheers,

Ron

Not me. I only buy stick shifts

 

[Wiredawg]

What would be cool is to do a side by side comparison of a 2018 and 2019 3500 Crew Cab 4x4 comparably equipped to see the visual differences. I would be surprised if the 2019 is lower than the 2018. The visual cues of wheel clearances, trailer to bed clearances, etc don't indicate downsizing. Also, suspect more room in the engine bay is result of any one or combination of larger engine bay, better layout of systems, and maybe some technology downsizing integrating, or eliminating a component. I know I was shocked to see how small the intercooler is on my 2017 5500.

If it weren't for a little med problem, I'd be down at my favorite 5 Star doing this comparison myself. We need an able bodied, unbiased volunteer.

Tally on buying new 2019: 2 not buying; 0 buying

Cheers, Ron

 

[Dasmoeturhead]

I'm keeping my 2015 Ram 3500 ctd longhorn, MC,4x4,aisin. Best most capable, and comfortable pick up I've ever owned. It also comes with the most recalls of any vehicle I've ever owned also. It's a keeper, even after those recalls. I like the fact that there's a "REAL" Diesel under the hood, and it's heavy duty. Why mess that up?
I've got 83,400 (not a lot) miles on mine, and it pulls like a train. The new Rams look like a Chevy/Gmc mix, with a Cummins Lite Engine. No thanks. Will the old cast block 6.7's be like the old coveted 12 valves in the future? I think so.

 

[TCDiesel]

The external EGR on 2013+ Trucks seems to be a non-Issue and uses very little Exhaust waste....I'm holding out for the NON-External EGR..I would like just to see it gone like the Stage V Off-road 6.7.

#ad

 

[Wiredawg]

I'm keeping my 2015 Ram 3500 ctd longhorn, MC,4x4,aisin. Best most capable, and comfortable pick up I've ever owned. It also comes with the most recalls of any vehicle I've ever owned also. It's a keeper, even after those recalls. I like the fact that there's a "REAL" Diesel under the hood, and it's heavy duty. Why mess that up?
I've got 83,400 (not a lot) miles on mine, and it pulls like a train. The new Rams look like a Chevy/Gmc mix, with a Cummins Lite Engine. No thanks. Will the old cast block 6.7's be like the old coveted 12 valves in the future? I think so.

Yep, I knew good stuff was coming in 2019 when I bought my 2017 5500 last year. It's all about the deal. I got a great deal on a leftover 2017 and I'm happy as a tick with my 5500 with performance computer. BTW, Noticed A FEW 2018 3500s with 68RFEs on lots, not many, if any Aisins left. This isn't starting a transmission war, just talking max tow 3500s.

We'll how good the 19s are when folks start pulling the triggers.

I do like to keep abreast of new stuff.

Cheers, Ron

Cheers, Ron