2021 RAM 3500 purchase on hold.

[Minnow101]

My son-in-law works for a company that leases 3500 Ram's. In less then a week they had 2 2020's 3500's with the fuel pump issue. One of those was his truck that STB right in the middle of a major intersection.
And there are plenty of other reports out there if one cares to look.
The icing on the cake is that parts are non-existent and repair time estimates are months out because of it. Fuel rails, fuel lines, fuel tank plus the pump and God know what else is needed to get the vehicle back on the road.
No way would I buy a 2019/2020.
And as far as the reimagined fuel pump, I've read nothing that going to a symmetrical design has anything to do with the current failures. Additionally, these new pumps are too new for anyone at this point to declare that this will resolve the issue.

 

[Goose_NC]

Whoops - Guess my 2020 RAM 3500 dually is a time bomb. I was going to install a larger fuel tank. But now I am reconsidering and I may have $1500 on a shelf at home for a bit. I only have 4500 miles on my truck since I bought it in April. I was hoping that this would be my last truck. Perhaps not. I am now looking at options. I have coverage to 100k mile or 7 years. So we will see.

 

[Ozymandias]

Whoops - Guess my 2020 RAM 3500 dually is a time bomb. I was going to install a larger fuel tank. But now I am reconsidering and I may have $1500 on a shelf at home for a bit. I only have 4500 miles on my truck since I bought it in April. I was hoping that this would be my last truck. Perhaps not. I am now looking at options. I have coverage to 100k mile or 7 years. So we will see.

Oh well, you have 7 years/100K why hesitate to buy that tank?

And no, it isn't a time bomb, thats ridiculous.

 

[Goose_NC]

I'm good. Waiting on shipping notice for the tank.

 

[AH64ID]

I'm good. Waiting on shipping notice for the tank.

Titan 55?

I love mine!!

 

[SnoKing]

I'm good. Waiting on shipping notice for the tank.

Only problem would be if a dealer voided warranty on a CP4.2 failure based on the change to a larger tank.

 

[dieselshadow]

Only problem would be if a dealer voided warranty on a CP4.2 failure based on the change to a larger tank.

How would a larger tank void the warranty? How does having more fuel cause a failure of a HPFP?

Shall we discuss the MM act from the 70s where a manufacturer has to prove your part caused the failure? Yes, you’d run out of money playing with lawyers, but in reality even FCA would have a hard time saying a larger tank caused a failure of a HPFP.

 

[SnoKing]

How would a larger tank void the warranty? How does having more fuel cause a failure of a HPFP?

Shall we discuss the MM act from the 70s where a manufacturer has to prove your part caused the failure? Yes, you’d run out of money playing with lawyers, but in reality even FCA would have a hard time saying a larger tank caused a failure of a HPFP.

Very few have the funds to challenge an auto manufacturer in court. They win.

 

[dieselshadow]

Very few have the funds to challenge an auto manufacturer in court. The win.

So where’s the failure point with a bigger tank?


My point is, why are you trying to scare an owner and others from owning a bigger tank when it clearly couldn’t cause a failure?

 

[SnoKing]

So where’s the failure point with a bigger tank?


My point is, why are you trying to scare an owner and others from owning a bigger tank when it clearly couldn’t cause a failure?

I did not say there was one, only that FCA could use it with a CP4.2 failure to deny warranty. No individual usually wins against that. I am consider a Titan tank myself, however I do not have worry about a CP4.2 failure.

 

[dieselshadow]

I did not say there was one, only that FCA could use it with a CP4.2 failure to deny warranty. No individual usually wins against that. I am consider a Titan tank myself, however I do not have worry about a CP4.2 failure.

How? How is a larger tank a factor? Please enlighten us.

 

[Beach Bomb]

I think he’s more worried about modifying anything because it gives them an excuse to void the warranty on a very expensive system. Me personally I wouldn’t hesitate to put a tank in.

 

[cerberusiam]

I have coverage to 100k mile or 7 years.

That would be true IF that was worth the paper it is written on and could be trusted to perform as stated. You have a warranty until you don't, there is no appeal if they blacklist your truck. It isn't critical now because there are literally no parts available. Want to bet that $70k truck when it comes time to fix it there will NOT be digging for a reason to void the warranty? Let it sit for 60 days and see what the fuel quality is like then explain that to the regional service manager that denies your warranty for contaminated fuel.

That is if you actually buy good fuel and treat it properly rather fueling at the cheapest place you can find. The first thing that will happen will fuel testing to meet the published fuel quality standard, if the fuel is lacking your wallet will be lacking.

 

[R.Taylor]

I didn't care.... Got me a Titan tank too! Can't void a warranty for a tank... Some dealerships will even install them for you.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Just remember all the Ford 6.0 diesels that dealers failed to honor warranty on because of "defective aftermarket oil filters".......dealers and OEM's will make good use of any aftermarket parts, especially non stock quality parts. An aftermarket fuel tank, while of itself is no problem, will open up a can of worms should a fuel system failure arise.

 

[SnoKing]

Just remember all the Ford 6.0 diesels that dealers failed to honor warranty on because of "defective aftermarket oil filters".......dealers and OEM's will make good use of any aftermarket parts, especially non stock quality parts. An aftermarket fuel tank, while of itself is no problem, will open up a can of worms should a fuel system failure arise.

Given that the whole fuel system including the tank has to be replaced with a CP4.2 failure, the aftermarket tank will be an issue period end stop! Best to make sure your auto insurance with step up to the 10-12K tab. We can dust of the old "I am my own warranty station!"

 

[R.Taylor]

Given that the whole fuel system including the tank has to be replaced with a CP4.2 failure, the aftermarket tank will be an issue period end stop! Best to make sure your auto insurance with step up to the 10-12K tab. We can dust of the old "I am my own warranty station!"

I've heard the tank is removed, washed and cleaned, Not replaced. Yes, During a CP4 failure... Metal shavings will pass through to the tank via the pump return line. If properly cleaned out I see no cause for alarm, Be it stock tank or an aftermarket.... Let alone on our 19' on up trucks we have 2 fuel filters that I'm betting would catch any stray pieces before getting to the HPFP.

 

[SnoKing]

I've heard the tank is removed, washed and cleaned, Not replaced. Yes, During a CP4 failure... Metal shavings will pass through to the tank via the pump return line. If properly cleaned out I see no cause for alarm, Be it stock tank or an aftermarket.... Let alone on our 19' on up trucks we have 2 fuel filters that I'm betting would catch any stray pieces before getting to the HPFP.

Maybe RAM is doing it differently, Ford replaces the tank.

 

[Beach Bomb]

https://hdrams.com/forum/index.php?...nto-ownership-of-my-2020-ram-2500.2740/page-2
Another one bites the dust.

 

[Goose_NC]

I've heard the tank is removed, washed and cleaned, Not replaced. Yes, During a CP4 failure... Metal shavings will pass through to the tank via the pump return line. If properly cleaned out I see no cause for alarm, Be it stock tank or an aftermarket.... Let alone on our 19' on up trucks we have 2 fuel filters that I'm betting would catch any stray pieces before getting to the HPFP.

My 2013 Ram 2500 diesel also had the two fuel filters.