2025 c&c 4500 and 5500

[brillmtb1]

Does anyone know what if there are planned changes fir these in 2025 model year. I definitely dont want a 2026 if Biden is installing monitoring systems allowing “them” to stop my erratic driving behavior

 

[Diesel85]

I'll also add, but I don't know when Stellantis/Cummins will be tinkering more with the emissions systems for EPA2027 for diesels.

Following previous iterations, Cummins usually was a year or two ahead of EPA requirements.

I'm itching to find out when RAM will be dropping the 68RFE and the Aisin.

Though, I heard rumors that 2024 ends the contract for Aisin.

 

[NIsaacs]

I didn't buy any extended warranty on my '21 2500. Figured when it expired, I would trade for a new 2500, HO with 8 spd

 

[Diesel85]

I didn't buy any extended warranty on my '21 2500. Figured when it expired, I would trade for a new 2500, HO with 8 spd

I certainly wouldn't want to be a guinea pig for a new automatic transmission.

My family has had nothing good to say about automatic transmissions throughout the years. Hence us owning so many manuals.

I only bought it because it had the well known ZF and an improved VM Motori engine. So far, I'm quite happy with it, and from what I've read, you rarely hear of an issue with the ZF.

Hoping that the ZF holds up great in my EcoD for the long run to change their mindset.

I hope whatever transmission goes behind these trucks is a solid choice.

 

[bcbender]

I have no complaints with the AISIN... if they change Id definitely wait a few years to see how whatever they replace it with holds up. Im not looking into anything new until they do a FMC and change the cab.

 

[AH64ID]

The 68RFE is rumored to be done after MY 2024.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a new trans doesn’t make its way into the C&C the first year.

 

[Diesel85]

The 68RFE is rumored to be done after MY 2024.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a new trans doesn’t make its way into the C&C the first year.

That's good news!

While not diesel related, I also heard through the rumor vine that the gas engines will have a gasoline particulate filter in for 2025.

Ford is already doing it some of their models for 2024.

 

[promisedland]

bcbender/
I'm not looking into anything new until they do a FMC and change the cab.[/QUOTE]

FMC??

 

[Diesel85]

bcbender/
I'm not looking into anything new until they do a FMC and change the cab.

FMC??[/QUOTE]

FMC = Full Model Change

Example in the 1500 world:

2014-2019 RAM 1500 DS

A FMC: 2020 to current DT

Basically a new generation, or in the RAM Heavy Duty world, a 5th gen.

 

[Ozymandias]

Don't worry about the gas engine with Particulate filter, that is a whole different story from the Diesel DPF.
Way less problems with these.

 

[Diesel85]

Don't worry about the gas engine with Particulate filter, that is a whole different story from the Diesel DPF.
Way less problems with these.

I have to say that 95% of people with DPFs never have an issue.

For all of the 2007.5+ stock trucks I've driven many miles and now own one, the DPF/SCR problem seems to be low. Low enough not to care and let the truck do it's own thing. Or in other words, just drive it and be happy.

Otherwise a place like this would be flooded with daily complaints.

 

[brillmtb1]

My only complaint with the Aisin and its not the Aisin per se its the engine control they utilize to decrease off the line excelleration to prolong transmission life. Long ago I posted on this and some didnt feel the lag and others did like me especially if you let off then come back on the go pedal. I have learned to just live with it and not pull out into traffic like a gas rig or even my 5.9 I had that was much more linear, responsive and predictable.

Now I just got my truck back, steering box replaced, worn out at 82K?? I noticed they did what looks to be a flash on the PCM stating "flashing from the current part number 32381732 AF to the same number but ending with AK. I wonder what that is? Anyone know?

Oh and they replaced my drivers heated seat elements and told me that was a $800 job, really? Well I just paid off my extended warranty with this work and some other stuff like the rear window defroster going out.

 

[brillmtb1]

I too would be excited to have an 8 speed maybe but also agree that if I go to a 5500 with my camper set up it might be nice but not really necessary. An upgrade to the cabin might be better but the newer trucks are already a cabin upgrade from my 2017. I too would worry that the most vulnerable part in our trucks perhaps, the transmission, may have initial issues to work out when a new transmission goes out the door to many customers putting many miles on them.

 

[Diesel85]

I too would be excited to have an 8 speed maybe but also agree that if I go to a 5500 with my camper set up it might be nice but not really necessary. An upgrade to the cabin might be better but the newer trucks are already a cabin upgrade from my 2017. I too would worry that the most vulnerable part in our trucks perhaps, the transmission, may have initial issues to work out when a new transmission goes out the door to many customers putting many miles on them.

That is why I'm hoping it's 2024-2025. I will be back in the saddle for buying another diesel truck in 2026-2027.

I will certainly be keeping an eye on these forums for user complaints.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Only thing I would change on my AISIN would be to lock out first running BobTail.

 

[Tuesdak]

Following previous iterations, Cummins usually was a year or two ahead of EPA requirements.

Even GM did this on the 2005 LLY overheater via adding EGR early. I hope the stupidity of OEM's attempting too meet emissions early has passed. Than again they drank the known poison Kool Aid on the CP4, but, unlike GM and Ford they recalled all of the CP4's on the Cummins RAM's. The non-DEF Cummins RAM should still be an expensive memory to avoid doing this for awhile. Also all the R&D money is being wasted on implementing the coming environmental disaster, forgetting plans to dispose of all the EV batteries, so there shouldn't be much left over to do anything but meet the next "Glowing Government Report" for emissions with the cost to The USA vs. Benefit clearly omitted.

 

[Diesel85]

Even GM did this on the 2005 LLY overheater via adding EGR early. I hope the stupidity of OEM's attempting too meet emissions early has passed. Than again they drank the known poison Kool Aid on the CP4, but, unlike GM and Ford they recalled all of the CP4's on the Cummins RAM's. The non-DEF Cummins RAM should still be an expensive memory to avoid doing this for awhile. Also all the R&D money is being wasted on implementing the coming environmental disaster, forgetting plans to dispose of all the EV batteries, so there shouldn't be much left over to do anything but meet the next "Glowing Government Report" for emissions with the cost to The USA vs. Benefit clearly omitted.

Let's not forget the EcoD CP4 recall. That is costing Stellantis a lot of money.

I'm waiting till end of year next year to see how folks make out with the brand new CP4 that Bosch released.

I have a feeling the EcoD will be a test bed for that redesigned CP4. I'm itching to know what Bosch did to the redesigned CP4. Hoping someone will do a parts tear down.

I do foresee the CP4 ending back in the 6.7l Cummins soon.

 

[Ozymandias]

Let's not forget the EcoD CP4 recall. That is costing Stellantis a lot of money.

I'm waiting till end of year next year to see how folks make out with the brand new CP4 that Bosch released.

I have a feeling the EcoD will be a test bed for that redesigned CP4. I'm itching to know what Bosch did to the redesigned CP4. Hoping someone will do a parts tear down.

I do foresee the CP4 ending back in the 6.7l Cummins soon.

Probably metallurgy, stuff you can't see or measure.
Like said before, the CP4 is one of the most built HPCR pumps on the planet and Bosch is working constantly make it better.

 

[Diesel85]

Probably metallurgy, stuff you can't see or measure.
Like said before, the CP4 is one of the most built HPCR pumps on the planet and Bosch is working constantly make it better.

Metallurgy is what I'm guessing too. I seriously doubt they pinned the lifter buckets.

Only way to tell is when someone takes one apart.

Right now they are only sending one new CP4 to each dealer per week that is requesting one until Bosch gets a big inventory of them.

 

[Tuesdak]

Probably metallurgy, stuff you can't see or measure.
Like said before, the CP4 is one of the most built HPCR pumps on the planet and Bosch is working constantly make it better.

Now, Now... Just because they have to build 2 or more of the CP4's for each engine: One for the engine factory, one for dealer warranty, and one for recalls...