24 valve/veggie oil

[LSchulz]

Just wondering if there is anyone here who has been running SVO/WVO in a truck with the VP44?



I'm working on a project here at school (www.thebiggreenbus.org ) where we're converting a DT466 powered school bus to run on grease (did a DT360 last year, and they put 10,000 miles on it over the summer). I'd love to convert my truck at the same time, but I know how hard it is to keep the IPs going on these trucks by itself, much less running grease through them.



If anyone here has tried it, please share your experiences.

 

[Tinman]

Can't do it.

VP44 won't do it. The temp of the veggie will cook the VPs electronics.

 

[SHobbs]

There are several home brew kits out there that will allow you to process the SVO/WVO similar to what a refiner does. I f you go that route you will not need to do any mods at all. The refined bio is a better way to go IMHO. I have been using refined B100 for over a year with zero problems and all the benefits.



From the way I understand it is that the SVO/WVO you need to start up on #2, after engine warms up switch to the oil which needs to be preheated as well then you have to switch back to #2 for shutdown. With WVO/SVO you cannot shutdown on it it will coke up the injectors. With refined oil which you can do yourself or get at the pump you just fill up and go like you do with #2.



There are some members that are making their own bio by refining WVO/SVO without problems.

 

[cj hall]

fuel oil

hello

I hate it when some one says you can't do it i think there is some wrong info used in the heating of veg oil, the first thing is there is no way to inject cold oil veg or diesel in to the motor. if you pump it you make heat !!!!!

once it starts running the heat at the injector is hot cleaning off the injector

you don't need to get the veg oil to 169. 9 degs to burn it all you need to to do is get it to a thiner state than cold veg oil is around 125 degs should be fine.



I NEED TO GO WILL POST MORE LATER.



cj hall

 

[elandon1201]

hello

I hate it when some one says you can't do it i think there is some wrong info used in the heating of veg oil, the first thing is there is no way to inject cold oil veg or diesel in to the motor. if you pump it you make heat !!!!!

once it starts running the heat at the injector is hot cleaning off the injector

you don't need to get the veg oil to 169. 9 degs to burn it all you need to to do is get it to a thiner state than cold veg oil is around 125 degs should be fine.



I NEED TO GO WILL POST MORE LATER.



cj hall

He said the heat will cook the ELECTRONICS of the VP not the injectors or LP, 160 degrees is not good on the old VP do a search, there are plenty of threads on optimum temperature for best results in VP life this is well documented.

 

[LSchulz]

There are several home brew kits out there that will allow you to process the SVO/WVO similar to what a refiner does. I f you go that route you will not need to do any mods at all.

...

There are some members that are making their own bio by refining WVO/SVO without problems.

I'd love to go that route, but being a college student, there's the whole issue of setting up a reactor in a dorm (i. e. not going to happen). I like the idea of being able to travel and have everything contained within the truck. If you're refining, then you can only go so far before you have to get fuel somewhere else.



I've heard of some people running WVO/SVO in 24 valve trucks, but they're few and far between. Some claim that as long as you keep your oil well filtered and enough in the IP to keep it lubricated, that the temperature wasn't much of an issue. I was just hoping I could find some people on here who'd tried and could offer some first-hand advice.



Time to P-pump it, or trade for an early '98...

 

[Cummins360]

You guys should be useing an older 12 valve motor with the Bosch P7100 injection Pump, No Nasty Icky Electronics in there to fry or to worry about, And it is lubed by engine oil so no problems there.

-Travis

 

[Tinman]

Didn't say it can't be done. But these dang VP44s are so delicate, they have enough troube with #2. I got interested in running WVO in my 01 a while back an emailed the Greasel guys. They did everything to get a VP44 to run WVO reliably and couldn't. The temp problem was what they experienced. Now, biodiesel would probably be fine. The p7100 12 valve will run anything. The CR motors?? Jury is still out. I was all about the SVO/WVO but now I'm thinking bio is the way to go.

 

[LSchulz]

You guys should be useing an older 12 valve motor with the Bosch P7100 injection Pump, No Nasty Icky Electronics in there to fry or to worry about, And it is lubed by engine oil so no problems there.

-Travis

That's why we got a bus with the DT466, not the DT466E. Nice big inline Bosch pump on that thing too...



Given the chance to start over, I would have bought a 12 valve, but my dad gave me too good of a deal on this truck to pass up.



We produce tons of grease in the dining halls here at school, I'll see if I can get a place to set up a reactor in the engineering school, then try some homebrew.

 

[cj hall]

fuel oil

Hello

I think the problem is info is to much to take in .

We all need to stop and think what we are trying to do

Yes the cr motors are a pain but they will run on blend fuel I have two trust me

Yes the older motors will run on about anything this is what I have been told

the problem is I dont have an older motor I have two cr engines an 2004 and a 2005 555/610 the 04 loves the blend fuel the 05 hates it you tell me why ??

I think its the 3rd event in the fueling plus the fact that the 05 was a cat on it . I have to play with the cr engines (ie run what you brung)

The heat is an issue this is a problem but what I am saying is that you dont need to heat it to 170 degs you need to thin it out but that's it. 100/125 degs should be fine.

I have run my truck on dse blend fuel for about 7 months , the only problems is with the fuel filters pluging in the cold (this is why i think heating the fuel will help) also its a will known fact that heated fuel will burn better ask any real trucker (not the ones that just drive the truck's ask the ones that drive and fix there trucks)I have they told me I need to heat my fuel

No, I am not saying that dse fuel is the end of the earth ,there are many other things that need to be tryed

we need to try anything that makes sence, bio/synfuel/used motor oil/ veg oil/used veg oil /whatever might work we need to try!!!

my plans is to heat my fuel to 100/125 degs

run a blend fuel of used veg oil/kerosine/gasoline/and dse fuel additive

if I kill off my injection pump /will live and learn.

if it works I will tell everybody/that it works or if it does not work !!!

If I made you made I am sorry but we can't sit here and hope the oil companys help us out they wont they dont care !!!!!

I just came back from Longbeach Ca the going price for #2 was 3. 199 per gallon I did see if for 3. 099 to 3. 399 per gallon if its there its going to get that high everywhere I THINK WE ARE HEADED FOR A LEAST 4. 00 PER GALLON BY THE END OF SUMMER . THIRTY GALLONS OF FUEL WILL COST YOU 120. 00 DOLLARS

read this its good http://www.frybrid.com/vp44.htm

cj hall

 

[SHobbs]

CJ



Thats all I was saying in the beginning is that the WVO/SVO needed to heated never said what temp. What I posted is what I have read on several bio websites. Now seeing or knowing how someone has beaten the VP44 gremlin is another story. Someone out there maybe a member here may have done it or is currently doing it.



What I can say is that running refined B100 (soybean oil ) has worked great in my truck and I think the VP44 is happy with all the extra lubrication it's getting. Whatever you decide to use whether it's WVO/SVO or refined bio give it a shot and say goodbye to OPEC for good, we don't need them for our fuel. By the way did everyone see the post about the Exxon executives retirement pkg. that, gentleman is where your fuel dollars are going pure glutney and excess. I am proud to support this nations farmers and their families, they need it more than the Arabs.

 

[TORQUE THIS]

They did everything to get a VP44 to run WVO reliably and couldn't.

I have an 01.

I ran WVO mixed 50/50 with diesel for 4 months before winter, had no problems at all. In fact, the truck ran better! Lots of guys in my area that can agree with me.


All I did was filter the oil, then dumped it in the tank.

Just before winter, I had to drop my tank to install a Webasto heater. The tank and pick-up were spottless. Fuel filter was also clean!

 

[RMuffles]

check out vegpoweredsystems. the baja bomber is a 99 ctd with vp44 running over 500 rear wheel hp on veg. i think they have a video of it doing the quarter mile run on oil from a turkey fryer they usede for lunch



good luck

 

[LSchulz]

Just before winter, I had to drop my tank to install a Webasto heater. The tank and pick-up were spottless. Fuel filter was also clean!

Do you think the hot oil coming into the IP will be a problem? I would tend to think not, as the IP will be pretty warm already due to it's location. I would think as long as you keep good fuel pressure and clean oil coming to the IP, you shouldn't have any problems. I still think I'm going to try it this summer when I have time to play around.

 

[WyattEarp]

Torque this... where did you get the Webasto heater, never heard of those????

Thanks... Sounds like i can get used oil, filter it and dump in the 12valve no problem, Does anyone know what line i need to replace since wvo does make some lines and orings go mushy after a period of time... .

 

[TORQUE THIS]

Torque this... where did you get the Webasto heater, never heard of those????

http://www.webastoshowroom.com/blueheat/

 

[TORQUE THIS]

Do you think the hot oil coming into the IP will be a problem? I would tend to think not, as the IP will be pretty warm already due to it's location. I would think as long as you keep good fuel pressure and clean oil coming to the IP, you shouldn't have any problems. I still think I'm going to try it this summer when I have time to play around.

The oil is not heated in the truck. It is just mixed with the diesel.

I'm just stating that I have had no issues with doing this, however I am not recommending that everyone run out and do this.

A few of the guys in our "coffee night" group want to do the same. All I tell them is it works for me, you have seen that first hand. I just don't want a friend trying it and damaging something and then come back to me and :-{} .

 

[LSchulz]

Well, I think I just found my best bet for now. There is a station a few miles from here that sells B100 for $. 50 less per gallon than dyno or B10 ($2. 42 instead of $2. 94). Go figure? Anyway, I know where I'm filling up from now on...

 

[Big Sur]

Wow, B100 is $0. 50 more/gallon than B20 and #2 out here.

 

[GWedekind]

I have run WVO veggie for 2 years on my 99 dually. In the last 12 months/ 40,000 miles I have had 4 injection pumps go bad ( that includes the original pump ).



I have tried heating the oil on the first 3 pumps running 100% veggie and then tried unheated 75/25 mix ( veggie/diesel ) for about 6 months and just popped another pump.



I believe the module on the top of the VP44 went bad on at least 2 if not 3 of the failures I had.



Part of me thinks that the module is getting hurt by using an agressive mix of WVO but without knowing how the pump works its hard to tell.



I am considering the biodiesel method where you mix alcohol and lye to get the WVO cleaner and MAYBE it will run better and be less harmful to the VP44.



My opinion... get a truck that doesnt have a VP44 if you want to run WVO . Im getting tired of changing pumps and getting stuck many miles from home.