2500 with Dana 44 up front???

[CumminsPower98]

I did check the title out with CarFax and it looks like it had just one owner which is good. I also had the VIN number run today and got a list of options. looks like everything is in order except the front axle. Thanks Mcgrady for the two cents. #ad
On stuff like this I like to look at everything very closely to see if it has been worked on before. I'm an auto mechanic by trade so that helps me in deciding if something has been apart before or not.

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Red '98 12valve 2500 4X4 Quad Cab, Long Bed, SLT, 5-spd Manual, 3. 54, Dana 80 Rear,Camper/Town pkg, 33x12. 50x16. 5, straight piped, silencer ring hanging in shop, Yet to be Bombed, 67K+ miles.

 

[unclebilly]

My 91. 5 has a Dana 60 up front.

I think you are just snivelling if you want recourse for buying a vehicle where the front diff has been changed - especially if you bought it from a private party.

Being a mechanic, it should have been easy to spot if things had been putzed or not.

What I would concern myself with if I were you is if the diff was changed, is the gear ratio the same in the front as the back?

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91. 5 CTD 4X4, 5" Stacks, Tweaked Pump, 33" Boots (in the summer), Unlimited Slip,
<P><B><A Big, Bad Dodge

 

[John Dimartino]

If you really ahve the Dana 44 up front-man I wouldnt even drive that truck-an overloaded steering axle is very dangerous. I weighed my 96 Ram-empty the front end had 4035 lbs on it-without me in it!So sitting there its overloaded. I would definetley back track the paper work-there has to be a paper trail leading to someone who knows the someone who swapped the axle. Might be original owners Buddy had a 44 and wanted a 60-so owner said-im selling the truck-go ahead switch axles before I sell it or trade it in-I have seen this many times. I used to repair traded in cars/trucks at a Chrysler dealer,I was a tech there. The stuff people do to traded in cars before they turn them in is unbelievable. Good luck,and I wouldnt even drive that truck until an axle that can take the weight is under it.

 

[Timinator]

You said the seller of the truck is a dealer. There are two words that should give him pause: implied warranties. Under the implied warranty of merchantability, he doesn't need to know what you intend to use the truck for. A safe vehicle is implied. If the front axle is overloaded, it is not safe. These warranties are automatically included in your deal unless you agree to disclaim them. Make the dealer aware that you know your rights. If he balks, it's time to threaten legal action based on these warranties. Be prepared to back up the threats.
I performed an internet search under "implied warranties" and got a bunch of relevant hits. This is one of the sites: http://cartalk. cars.com/Got-A-Car/Lemon/lemon_implied.html




[This message has been edited by Tim Barlow (edited 03-07-2001). ]

 

[unclebilly]

I can't believe this!

Here are the facts...

1. You bought a used truck.

2. You did not pay New Price for said used truck.

3. Most used vehicles come with no warrantee and are not new (definition of being used) hence they cost less to purchase than a new vehicle and may have some wear, tear, damage and have had some less than ideal repairs done to them. - What part do you guys not understand about this?

4. Whenever you buy a used vehicle (or anything) you are taking a chance.

It sounds like CumminsCruncher98 or whatever his name is wants to pay the used vehicle price but expects to have a new vehicle. C'mon, hasn't anyone ever told you that "you can't get something for nothing"?

The most rediculous part about this whole deal is that it seems that most of you guys agree with him.

I live in 'Communist Canada' and it seems like my veiws are more capatalist than most of yours...

One more thing, 'Caveat Emptor' <- this means Buyer Beware.

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91. 5 CTD 4X4, 5" Stacks, Tweaked Pump, 33" Boots (in the summer), Unlimited Slip,
&lt;P&gt;&lt;B&gt;&lt;A Big, Bad Dodge

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Overall I agree with you on purchasing used vehicles, unclebilly.

But I feel CumminsPower98's situation is a little different. He bought a LATE model truck in good faith thinking it had all the original (or EQUAL to OEM parts) major factory drivetrain parts. Who wouldn't?

We are not talking about non-original paint, sheetmetal or seats. His truck could be downright dangerous & illegal with a non-OE substandard front differential not designed for that Size & GVW truck.

Would Utah DMV let him register the truck if they knew about the axle swap? No way. Its too bad it didn't need to go thru safety inspection. A sharp eyed inspector would have picked up on it.

In this case, could someone could be held accountable for altering the truck so as not to confirm to "On highway" D. O. T regulations, and passing it off as OK? I'd say probably #ad


I dunno



[This message has been edited by HEMI®Dart (edited 03-10-2001). ]

 

[Timinator]

unclebilly,
I am an Ayn Rand fan, but while Amerika still has laws to use to protect consumers, we will use them. Caveat Emptor is not a trump card for dealers. Public policy and safety concerns will beat unscrupulous behavior most times. As I stated yesterday, a buyer does not need an express warranty to receive the impleied warranties. Basic contract law.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Yes most states have "as is" law on used vehicles. But when they have been in accidents than their are other laws that have to be abided by that protects the consumer.
BTW CumminsPower98 was this truck ever registered in Canada?
Who ever put the 44 in place of 60 needs to get educated.
The dealer if the truck was traded in had to have the truck checked out. So it is reasonable to say he new about the 44.
I don't believe unclebilly that CumminsPower98 is asking for a brand new Dana 60, he just wants a 98 Dana 60 with around the same mileage as the rest of the truck.
Besides that 44 probalby won't be able to stand up to the torque that the Cummins will throw at it.

 

[John Dimartino]

Uncle Billy-dont you see the problem here-he bought a used 98 Ram 2500 CTD-retail sale-standard front axle on the Ram is a dana 60-I think he's entitled to that housing-if the gears are shot,the ball joints gone-so be it-its used-but the correct axle should be there-unless he was notified about the change and agreed to it at the time of purchase. Whoever replaced the axle has a legal obligation to replace it with an equivelant axle that is capable of carrying the weight it will be under,unless the truck is being sold as is for salvage,by an insurance company-then there is no guarantee at all,but only dealers can buy at this level. I know I used to buy them wrecked ,fix em and re sell them. i got out of it,when I had to cut corners to make it worth it,I refused to do poor work or used inferior parts-so by the time I was done fixing it,I didnt make a whole bunch,but for a while I made a few $$,while selling good cars/trucks.

 

[SlyBones]

Watched this post for a little while. Printed out the pics of the diff covers. And mine looks like top picture, as far as orientation goes. when I examine the axle itself it has stamped right on it "60F". Its actually part of the cast. its about 2-3 inches from cover on the drivers side.

When I look at the pics, there are two similar looking covers, only one is oriented 90 degrees from the other. Well I believe my front end is truely a Dana 60 and is oriented like the top picture, of the D44 cover.

CumminsPower98,
You may have a look at the axle and not the cover. See whats stamped into the housing itself.

 

[unclebilly]

But, he stated in one of the first posts that the truck is a wreck. He bought a wrecked truck partially rebuilt. It's not as though he was sold the truck under the pretense that it was a cherry rig.

I still can't beleive the whining...

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91. 5 CTD 4X4, 5" Stacks, Tweaked Pump, 33" Boots (in the summer), Unlimited Slip,
&lt;P&gt;&lt;B&gt;&lt;A Big, Bad Dodge

 

[DMC]

Uncle Billy: I've got papers for a half carat VVSI Diamond worth $6500. Will it be O. K. to swap that stone with a cheap synthetic stone? And sell as the real thing. If so I could make you a good deal.

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D McGrady 1996 Club Cab 6BTA 5. 9 12 Valve All Stock Except K&N and Wrangler A/T 305/70/16 136 K and going strong.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Great analogy McGrady. #ad


This is how Cummins Power 98 made out: https://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb//Forum1/HTML/003759.html

 

[mike r]

I'll keep it nice. That guy you bought that truck from is a liar and you should have gone to the magistrate. He is the kind of guy that will do this type of thing over again and may kill somebody if he isn't stopped.

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'99 QC SB White/Agate Auto 3. 54's Mustang Bed Cover, Bed Liner,BD PNP, 4" ex, 275 injectors, ISSPRO PYRO/BOOST A-Pillar,LOUD JVC CD, boost module and elbow coming soon. transmission upgrades needed soon

 

[CumminsPower98]

Not long ago I went back where I got the truck and had the frame checked out again and tweaked just a tad in the rear by a guy who rents space from Don of Wrecks Are Us LLC, the place I bought the truck from. I asked him what he knew about this axle-swapping situation. He had worked on my truck 6 or 7 months ago when he first started work there. He said he thought he remembered that the truck came from auction with the wrong axle and that Don changed it out again to get the right gear ratio. So I have no idea what it had in it from the auction but I do know that Don did swapped it even though he says he didn't. I probably should write him a letter and let him know I know what's up and what I think. The truck is fine now but it's $1,250 later.

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Red '98 12valve 2500 4X4 Quad Cab, Long Bed, SLT, 5-speed, 3. 54, Dana 80 Rear,Camper/Tow pkg, 33x12. 50x16. 5 BFG A/T's, Rancho RS9000 Shocks, Tuff Country Leveling Kit, Straight Piped, K&N Air Filter, Silencer Ring Hanging in Shop, Yet to be Bombed, 70K+ Miles.

 

[JIM S.]

Cumminspower98... ... . your truck sucks. . man I cant believe it, you should blow it up and burn what is left #ad
!!!!! LOL (just kidding everybody. . mark is my buddy from across the road)

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1995, 2500, 4x4, 3. 54, auto, custom fuel plate, boost and EGT gauges, 215 HP injectors, RE-0880, custom 4" from down pipe.

[This message has been edited by JIM. S (edited 05-05-2001). ]

 

[mike r]

OK now either quit adding to the story or I'm really gonna tell you what I think. First he lied to you. Second, He lied again. Third, You had to pay for his lie. Fourth, YOU found out exactly what the lie was and how he did it. Now here is where the magistrate comes in. Go to a GOOD lawyer and have him feed that Dana 44 to the sorry excuse of a dealer and charge HIM $1250 plus tax and anything else the good lawyer KNOWS you are entitled to. Now if you do as I recommend you will truely be happy because there is no feeling good about being ripped off. #ad


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'99 QC SB White/Agate Auto 3. 54's Mustang Bed Cover, Bed Liner,BD PNP, 4" ex, 275 injectors, ISSPRO PYRO/BOOST A-Pillar,LOUD JVC CD, boost module and elbow coming soon. transmission upgrades needed soon