Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) 2nd Gen AFE stage 2 owners take caution

[BILLVO]

Instead of bringing this back maybe you could have called AFE directly ??

Bob we have been over this already, GOOD4U for not having an issue with your Stage 2 or whom ever else... .



BUT It is meant to be a safety issue for all others to see to prevent a possible loss from fire. As you may have read there were as many who noticed the same thing as I had as there where who stood behind it like you.

 

[Bob4x4]

Relax,take a breath... ... ... ... ... . have you talked to them????

 

[Grumpy John 4x4]

Afe

Had mine on for many years no problems!

 

[BILLVO]

Relax,take a breath... ... ... ... ... . have you talked to them????

BP and heart rate and breathing back to normal lol...

Sent the tech dept an e-mail to see if the issue had been addressed and what if anything has been done but no response from them as of yet.



They were trying to weasle out of responsibility at that time by trying to say it wasn't designed to be used with aftermarket non-stock turbos which are larger and makes the distance between them closer. Hopefully they will get back to me on it. So I can pass the info along to those who may not know yet.



This is in no way a slandering of AFE I think there products are great and I still run them but it was just this particular issue/product that was unerving to have happened to me and the disaster that could possibly happen to others who do not know.

 

[EBung]

Thats why I run a Volant with a AFE filter in it.

 

[Bob4x4]

Had mine on for many years no problems!

:-laf:-laf and I saw it get hot enough to ignite the firewall insulation,,,,,,,,,,sorry John but it sure was fun beatin on your truck.

 

[Bob4x4]

BP and heart rate and breathing back to normal lol...

Sent the tech dept an e-mail to see if the issue had been addressed and what if anything has been done but no response from them as of yet.



They where trying to weasle out of responsibility at that time by trying to say it wasn't designed to be used with aftermarket non-stock turbos which are larger and makes the distance between them closer. Hopefully they will get back to me on it. So I can pass the info along to those who may not know yet.



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I can assure you that temp testing was done using a few different trucks at different power levels. Temp tape was used in a variety of locations and they all passed muster.

I would suggest that a properly tuned truck will be just fine.

Now days it seems customer service people are not in the engineering loop. I avoid them like the plague if I can at all help it. The engineering staff is top notch at AFE and they are a lot of fun to go off roading with too :-laf:-laf

 

[Jim McCarty]

I can assure you that temp testing was done using a few different trucks at different power levels. Temp tape was used in a variety of locations and they all passed muster.

I would suggest that a properly tuned truck will be just fine.

Now days it seems customer service people are not in the engineering loop. I avoid them like the plague if I can at all help it. The engineering staff is top notch at AFE and they are a lot of fun to go off roading with too :-laf:-laf

I avoid cliches like the plague. Sorry Bob, I couldn't help myself.

 

[Bob4x4]

I avoid cliches like the plague. Sorry Bob, I couldn't help myself.

:-laf:-laf

 

[Eric Lee]

I went back to the stock box and PG7 drop in. I think most aftermarket air cleaner / intake 'upgrades' are really 'downgrades' in disguise. If I didn't think I needed a little more air, I'd probably be back with the stock paper also. I honestly think that the stock set up is the safest way to go if the mission is to get the cleanest, dryest, coolest air into the motor.



My 2c - Eric

 

[Cummins724]

I went back to the stock box and PG7 drop in. I think most aftermarket air cleaner / intake 'upgrades' are really 'downgrades' in disguise. If I didn't think I needed a little more air, I'd probably be back with the stock paper also. I honestly think that the stock set up is the safest way to go if the mission is to get the cleanest, dryest, coolest air into the motor.



My 2c - Eric

My brother said the same thing. One day his turbo wouldn't spool & lost power. He pulls over to check it out & opens his stock filter box to see no filter. The filter was sucked into his intake tube sitting against the turbo, but luckily not through the turbo. Stock boxes are for stock power.

 

[Bob4x4]

I went back to the stock box and PG7 drop in. I think most aftermarket air cleaner / intake 'upgrades' are really 'downgrades' in disguise. If I didn't think I needed a little more air, I'd probably be back with the stock paper also. I honestly think that the stock set up is the safest way to go if the mission is to get the cleanest, dryest, coolest air into the motor.



My 2c - Eric

The dyno and my gauges don't agree with you... ...

 

[Chief USA]

I tried an aFe drop in air filter in my stock box and I lost between 4 to 6 lbs. of boost and my egts got worse. These filters in my opinion are JUNK. The stock OEM Fleetguard paper filters performed better than the aFe filters did. I installed a BHAF and aluminum heat sheild and obtained an approx. 200 degree across the board egt reduction AND the boost pressure came back to about 2 lbs. over the stock paper filter. Installing the 5 inch staight pipe turbo back exhaust also brought about a noticable egt reduction of about 100 -200 degrees and about 4 lbs. more boost.



The BHAF WORKS and is the most economical not to mention best performing filter especially with the Outterware prefilter on it.

 

[Eric Lee]

Chief - I'm convinced in the efficiency of good paper filters - but don't equipment manufacturers ALWAYS implement an enclosure vented to the outside of the engine compartment?



I didn't really notice any loss of boost with the PG7 drop in - did you take the wrapper off?



Just kidding - Eric Lee

 

[Bob4x4]

I tried an aFe drop in air filter in my stock box and I lost between 4 to 6 lbs. of boost and my egts got worse. These filters in my opinion are JUNK. The stock OEM Fleetguard paper filters performed better than the aFe filters did. I installed a BHAF and aluminum heat sheild and obtained an approx. 200 degree across the board egt reduction AND the boost pressure came back to about 2 lbs. over the stock paper filter. Installing the 5 inch staight pipe turbo back exhaust also brought about a noticable egt reduction of about 100 -200 degrees and about 4 lbs. more boost.



The BHAF WORKS and is the most economical not to mention best performing filter especially with the Outterware prefilter on it.

:-laf:-laf:-laf Right... ... ... ... .

 

[Chief USA]

Chief - I'm convinced in the efficiency of good paper filters - but don't equipment manufacturers ALWAYS implement an enclosure vented to the outside of the engine compartment?



I didn't really notice any loss of boost with the PG7 drop in - did you take the wrapper off?



Just kidding - Eric Lee

Hey... ... . If paying 3 times as much for a filter that does NOT work near as good and you like fancy aFe performance stickers... ... ... go for it! :-laf I bet those aFe stickers give at least 50 more hp and 200 ft. /lbs. of torque. :-laf



Just kiddin'

 

[BILLVO]

This is not a thread to debate Filters!!!!!!!

I can assure you that temp testing was done using a few different trucks at different power levels. Temp tape was used in a variety of locations and they all passed muster.

I would suggest that a properly tuned truck will be just fine.

Maybe testing should have been done on a LOT of pickups with Bigger turbos rather than just a FEW at different power levels. They should have a disclaimer stating it is meant to be used with a Stock turbo only.



Are you trying to imply my rig wasn't/isn't tuned well enough?

 

[Regcabguy]

I'm using the PG7 dropin and the psm downtube and see a marked reduction in smoke over the paper stocker using my Smarty. I can't handle the snake hissing in my ear(turbo whistle) so an enclosed AFE is next. There was a shot of Bob 4x4's buddy in Baja knocking dirt out of his PG7 dropin and still it didn't get sucked in,so it must be well constructed. The author posted that he's gone in another intake direction since. You've got to go with what works for your situation I guess.

 

[BILLVO]

Got a reply from Michael Cain in tech dept at AFE and he said I am the only one to have contacted them on this and they have not changed the design of it but do understand the issue.



Every company is entitled to have at least one glitch I guess.

 

[EForbes]

Its alot easier to install TSM cold air intake, and it is actually a cold air intake, using factory box, it has tube that pulls air from high pressure at cowl, thus pressurizing the air box. I had a k&n cold air, but those types of intakes just pull scrambled hot air that's swirling around under hood. They dont provide any outside air such as the TSM provides.
My egts are lower, and cool down is twice as fast.