3 cyl Detroit

[Kernel]

The other day I was at a flea market/antique/junk sell and saw a generator that had a 3 cyl Detroit Diesel. I had never seen or heard of that small of a Detroit. It looked like it had been sitting for awhile (as did everything else), and was as messy looking as the bigger Detroits that I had seen. Does anybody know much about these (for learnings sake) and are they worth anything?



Scott

 

[Speedo]

3 cyl. Detroits

Detroit has made a bunch of 2 and 3 cylinder motors, 53 and 71

series motors for different industrial applications like generators.

At one time they even made a single cylinder 71 series motor.

The local DDC dealer found an old single cylinder 71 and they

were going to see if they could round up enough parts to rebuild

it for display purposes. I'll check with them when I get a chance

and see if they ever got it built and maybe get some pictures.



Gus

 

[Ray Torresdal]

3 cyl

Some of the old Oliver Super 99's used a 3 cylinder Detroit. That tractor was my first exposure to diesels. The first thing I did after checking the oil was run to the house, and tell the boss, "There is something wrong with that tractor - the oil is black and gooey!" As has been stated many times previously, they take fuel and turn it into noise. For the day, it was probably the most reliable engine in the field, would start at any temperature with a little ether, and parts were cheap and accessable.



Ray

 

[mbaston]

Generators

Many marine generators used the 3 cylinder detroit. I have even been on some older Coast Guard boats that still used these.

 

[Kernel]

Thanks for the replies. I never knew they put Detroits in the old Olivers.



Scott

 

[Ncostello]

Future father in law has a Oliver 70 his father purchased new with all Oliver attachments. Its an amazing machine. Famous among pullers cause the transmission and engine are coupled by a driveshaft making the motor easy to replace... or something like that.



The Super 99's were rare. If I'm not mistaken, it was turbocharged and had to be ran at governed RPM to get it to pull a plow. The turbo made it different from the 99's. I saw one at a show. LOUD... straight stack. You could hear it all over the show grounds everytime it was fired up. From what I understand it weighed around 15000 lbs and something like 12000 were on the rear axle. Wow!

 

[JHerrlich]

They used the 3-53 in the Gamma Goat too (one of those military 6 wheeled, floating, articulated, all wheel drive contraptions).

 

[Steve Campbell]

We had a 3-71.....

... . In an old HD-7 Allis-Chalmers crawler. It only turned about 15-1600 when we got it and was rated about 52-53 HP. We turned the RPM's up to 18-1900 and were very happy. It was finicky about how hard you pulled it though. If you were one gear too high, it would burn about 1/2 quart of oil per hour. Proper gearing (one lower) and it took 1/2 quart of oil for 12 hours of plowing.

 

[alt]

Ahhh..... Oilver super 99. That is my dream tractor. The turbocharger that you are talking about is accually the supercharger. I know basicly the same thing. People take the same blowers on the tractor and use them on their hot rod cars. An addition to the oliver 99, Massey Ferguson made the exactly the same tractor model 98. One of the massey's was on an auction recently in original condition and it sold for $19,000. Hard to swallow concidering that the tractor was made in the mid 50's. I'm looking for an Oilver 99 if anyone knows of one.

Paul

 

[Kernel]

So was the Super 99 one of the first tractors to use a turbo diesel? All of the old Farmalls and John Deeres that I had seen and ran from the 1950's and early 60's were non-turbo.





Scott

 

[n7gxz]

I've seen pictures of an Army M-715 Kaiser 5/4 ton truck back in the Vietnam era that used a 3-53 Detroit in it.



Kevin

 

[fbaurley]

The first wheeled farm tractor to use a turbo diesel was the allis chalmers D 19 I believe it was around 1960 or 1961 would have to check my books to be sure. International was a few years later, and then john deere was several years later.

 

[bmoeller]

John Deere also used a 2 cylinder Detoit in their 435 tractor. Friend of mine has a 430 gas. He bought an engine and transmission from a 435 and has been considering a swap.

 

[alt]

I think the oilver 99 came out around 1955.

The John deere 435 was 1959 to 1960.

The first turbocharged International was a 1206 which was made in 1965. And I belive that the John Deere 4320 which was a 4020 turbocharged came out in 1966 or 67.



Paul

 

[bmoeller]

According to a book I just bought, it said 4320 was made from 1971-72.

 

[alt]

I'm sorry, I was incorrect.

http://www.geocities.com/web4020/4320.html



Paul

 

[KSyme]

3 cylinder Detroit

The 3 cylinder Detroit had a gear driven super charger on it, these engines were 2 stroke and they wouldn't run without the supercharger. Detroit started putting turbos on ahead of the supercharges but that wasn't until the 70's. If turbos were on before that, someone retrofitted them on. The old 8V71 (318 HP) people were putting turbos boosted the HP to 350. The 2 stroker was phased out for emission reasons when Roger Penske bought the company. All Detroits now are 4 stroke.

 

[Kernel]

I found a website that had a quick history on when some of the bigger companies (JD, IH, etc. ) introduced diesels in their tractors.



my. voyager.net/~vinsond/diesels.html



Scott

 

[bmoeller]

If the engine is turbo'd the blower isn't really needed to run. Only to start. Read in a farm magazine a while back. There was a farmer who has some turbo'd 2 cycle Detroits that are used to run pumps on his irrigation center pivots. He took off the blowers because they were causing a restiction for the turbo. He uses an air tank and a block off plate that is bolted where the blower was. The plate has an air fitting on it so he can apply some air pressure with the tank til the motor starts and the turbo takes over.

 

[alt]

Where does the turbo blow the intake air to?

Why would anyone want to put a turbo on a blowered engine?

Paul