3 different grades of Diesel?????

[Drewhenry]

A friend was recently in Montana and called me to say he was seeing three grades of diesel. Kerosene, Ultra Low Sulphur, and REGULAR #2. He said everyone was buying REGULAR #2. Is that stuff the old sulphurized fuel? I didn't think it was still being made in the U. S.



Educate me please.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Where in MT was he I also thought that we could only get ULSD

 

[JJPage]

What I am seeing at the pumps in T-Falls, is a choice between #1, #1/2 winter blend, #2, #2 dyed, all ULSD, Perhaps your friend was confused...

 

[Jim W]

Here is a copy of the EPA letter for 2010 and beyond for diesel fuel dispensing and labeling of diesel pumps at retail outlets. This was published in May of 2010.



http://www.clean-diesel.org/pdf/2010alternativelabelsforNRLM.pdf



Hope this helps you?

Jim W.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Called old boss at Chevron he said all in the U. S. is ULSD but Chevron is going to be adding B5 in all diesel and all will be B5 by next years end. Don't know about the winter blend of Diesel didnt ask about that.



You could be getting REGULAR OLD DIESEL if the driver on the truck didnt do his job. All it would take is to leave approximately 8 gal of gas to be left in the plumbing of a compartment and then add 1500 gal of diesel puts the ULSD out of spec. so bad that the sulfur PPM is close to being old spec. diesel.

 

[Tractorat]

Its been B5 in Wash for a few years now (or at least they say it is)

 

[MLee]

Looks like another situation shoved down our throats, take it OR walk.

So accoring to the article above, is the Railroad using the 500 ppm? or the ULSD? We have a lot of rail traffic through the SLC valley and have heavy pollution in the winter. And the locale EPA blames the motoring public, of which does contribute, but they don't see the whole picture. Just my opnion.

 

[rscurtis]

Wait, in a couple more years, 2015 I believe, new locomotive engines are going to be almost as clean as on-road engines. This is why MTU and Cummins are getting into the locomotive engine business.

 

[AABEN]

Most off road heavy duty diesel is 500 PPM it is due to change soon.

 

[Jim W]

Most off road heavy duty diesel is 500 PPM it is due to change soon.

As of January 2011, all new off road diesel engines are required to burn ULSD (15 PPM) fuel by law. This is so the emission equipment on them like DPF's will not be damaged by the 500 PPM diesel fuel.

I would doubt that the refineries would provide two different grades of off road diesel fuel to the pipe lines for shipment to the end consumer. There maybe fuel that is at the distributors that may still be 500 PPM, but this will be eliminated by the consumption of the remaining LSD on hand.

Jim W.

 

[EGroeneveld]

Looks like another situation shoved down our throats, take it OR walk.

So accoring to the article above, is the Railroad using the 500 ppm? or the ULSD? We have a lot of rail traffic through the SLC valley and have heavy pollution in the winter. And the locale EPA blames the motoring public, of which does contribute, but they don't see the whole picture. Just my opnion.

Okay but every train is 100's of semi trucks not on the highway. So I'd think overall the air is better with trains. Highway traffic is certainly better with more freight trains.

 

[rscurtis]

One of the other problems with locomotive emissions not related to fuel is lube oil consumption. Oil consumption of 50 gallons per day is not impossible on an EMD engine This is what killed the 2-cycle Detroit as an on-road engine. The 3-53 I had in a PU would go 300 miles per quart, and that's with new OEM cylinder kits. It wouldn't take long for that engine to mess up a catalyst or DPF.

 

[BIGNASTY]

In CA the UP trains got the same as the auto/truck 15PPM.



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So accoring to the article above, is the Railroad using the 500 ppm? or the ULSD

 

[MLee]

We are the cross roads of the west, so we see alot more trains in this area, so we have more smog in the winter because of invertions, we are surrounded by mountains and sit in a hole.