300 HP 90 W250 4x4

[f.boyle]

Any Ideas what I should do to get from ~230HP to ~300HP?? I am trying to build a plan to buget my money. wich actualy is my trucks $ Oh well more fun = less money I am getting the Banks Power pack wich adds ~70hp to get to the 230hp so after that I'm thinking 90hp injectors from BD if they have those for a 90? That will get me over 300 comfortably I think with the power pack that should boost fuel mileage enough so as not to be overwelmed after the injectors I should stay around my present 25mpg right?? what could I use to get the other 70hp needed??any help would be apreciated greatlyOo.

 

[Sled Puller]

There is afirst Gen down by me that is getting 40+ pounds of boost with an HX-40.

He got the parts from www.enterprisengine.com



Gene

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

I don't think you can get to 300hp with the 1st gen's VE pump. From posts I seen 250 seems to be max. Banks will tell you, you will get 230hp but I'll bet if you dyno your current setup you'll be somewhere agound 200 at the rear wheels. While I've bombed my '93 I have still kept my highway mileage at 21 to 22. I didn't want to sacrfice mileage for power. I'm running a "swiss cheese" air box with K&N air filter, 3. 5 inch exhaust, 14cm turbo, a 230hp "built" VE pump and injectors. I have also run Amsoil since about the 18,000 mile mark (now at 143,000) and am 100% synthetic in the driveline. My setup will set you back in the seat quite nicely when you put the pedal to the metal at 70mph and my best estimate on RWHP is about 250. I want to dyno it and will when everything falls into place.



I looked into the B5. 9, for another application, in the early '90s and although Cummins had 300hp versions they had a P7100 pump on them. Dodge spec'ed a less powerful version for their PU. If you get there from here please let me know - I am always looking at preformance options. Good luck

Happy trails

Bob

 

[R.E. Miller]

I'm with Bob. From the research that I have done, there are more differences then TDRers would like to admit between the first gen engines and the in-line pumpers. I would save your money to built an in-line pumped engine, that is what I will do if I keep my truck for a long time. I think that the head castings are better in the newer engines, and I think that the bottom end uses lighter parts which allows for the higher RPM's that will help you sing down the road and make more power.



Russell

 

[drives mopars]

more hp naw

yes i agree 250 hp atrear tires is max

i was at 215 then turned pump up more

est was 245 or so rw, boost was 33 to35



you will not need banks atall



call piers 1st, or pittsburg diesel



its cheap to get 225 hp rw out



safe but pump life will be shortened

i know been there done that



bill

 

[Midnite]

f. boyle, you're not serious, are you? The reason I ask is all the smilies in your post. In addition, 230 HP + 25 MPG is a combination I think most 1st genners would give significant body parts to achieve.



Regardless, I think Banks' claims are probably a bit optimistic in the horsepower numbers. In any case, there's just no way you can achive 300 HP with a Bosch VE pump engine in a daily driver, period.



Also, you'd have to look at why you want the horsepower. If you want it for acceleration, then you should look at lightening your truck as much as possible (if racing, then that's good advice even if you're not up against the HP wall). Possibly look at fiberglas body panels, etc.



If lightening the truck isn't realistically possible, then look at an engine transplant from a '94 to early '98 truck. This would be a 12 valve engine with the Bosch P7100 injection pump (which is much more powerful than the VE pump). While P7100 pump engines are capable of 500+ HP (Joe Donnelly's truck is an excellent example), this would normally be a prohibitively expensive swap for a 1st gen.



Now, if you're *REALLY* getting 25 miles per US Gallon typical highway milage at speeds in excess of 50 MPH, then I'm sure many here would like to know your secret! As someone who can't get any better than 18 MPG, I know I sure would!



Mike

 

[Sled Puller]

Man boys, this is the wrong forum to be stating the "CAN'T" word!

Next you will tell us you "CAN"T" get a 1000 hp on a P7100 on straight Diesel!

 

[f.boyle]

I was going to BOMB it but fine I like my truck running I just want the power so I have more power I don't neeed it at all I just thought the 300 hp would be great But you obviously know more than me so.

on that 300 hp if every thing is what they say banks putts you at 230 rw add the 60 hp injectors from BD and youve got a 2x's a HUMMER thats a joke a HUMMER is 195hp:-laf Yes I was seriouse but if it can'''''t woops won't? handle it in stride ok ~~~stock is good kind of I like smilies thats why so many

I was going to customize my air box but my dad said it would let in to much durt oh well good thought

Thanks all :cool

Frank:

 

[drives mopars]

hp$ levels

with 225 hp at rear cost$ 750. 00



with 300 hp at rear cost $ 3000. 00



with 400 hp at rear cost $ 6000. 00 plus





step one piers inj, turbo 14 cm

hp exzust , turn up fuel in ve



#2 94 p pump motor w/ 160-180 pump

new injectors and slide plate

sell old motor keep stock trans. / clutch

keep old rad, if lucky 3k may do it

expect to drive a 2 nd car too during exchange

#3 go with 96-98 12v 215 hp then call piers

add new clutch if 5 spd if a/t spend $ 2000.

more$ are new after selling old stuff



see hp cost $ the last few hp cost a lot

 

[Power Wagon]

A stock pump, accurately calibrated, plus the addition of PW injectors and then turning the governor limit screws a little ways, to get the engine to turn 2800, will get you 230 FLYWHEEL horsepower.



Change to the Lucas injectors, and you will go from 230 to 250 or 260 HP at the flywheel.



At that point, cranking the fuel screw will get you to 300 flywheel horsepower. That's NOT rear wheel HP, of course. But 300 flywheel horsepower is what a Duramax claims to have.



Of course, in order to do this, you'd better have a later engine ,with an intercooler, tweaked turbo (something like Pier's special would be good), open exhaust and free flowing intake of air.



But making 300 at the wheels? It's going to be real tough.

 

[f.boyle]

Wow! Not worth it just fot the heck of it :{ May be if I look realy hard I'll find a reason Maybe I'll just wait till this engine croaks and get a HO , 6 speed 241HD transfer and turn it up all later

Thanks, Frank

 

[ScottB]

Don't get discouraged you can achieve good power without much money. As long as you have a few tools and common sence. I have spent very little money on my truck,I'm a tightwad. I have my boost gage bouncing off the 30lbs mark and the ol girl runs real nice. I did my own exhaust and tossed the airbox, run a big air filter, paper no K$N, my exhaust temps are real nice compared to some I see. Oh and I put power wagon injectors and I was there. Their will always be improvments but I really like the truck and enjoy driving it. I bet I have somwhere around 400$ in upgrades. I hope this helps you out.

 

[f.boyle]

Thank you Scottb titewadding is great Does anybody know what they(cummins) did to get our 12 valves the HO???Injectors?

Thanks again FrankOo.