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35" 10ply agressive allterrain ? Anyone make them ?
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Parnelli Jones Dirt Grip -- 35x12. 50R17 Load Range E
Toyo M/T -- 35x12. 50R17 Load Range E
Nitto also has one. I know their mud tire is a load range E, but I'm not sure if their all-terrain is. Check 'em out. I went with the Parnelli Jones:
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Toyo M/T -- 35x12. 50R17 Load Range E
Nitto also has one. I know their mud tire is a load range E, but I'm not sure if their all-terrain is. Check 'em out. I went with the Parnelli Jones:
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Check out the Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ. It's all terrain and load range E.
Click on the ATZ link on the left if it doesn't take you directly to the page.
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/truck.html
Click on the ATZ link on the left if it doesn't take you directly to the page.
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/truck.html
http://www.tyres1.com/browse/browseT.html
super swamper trxus MT's. 3600# load rating in a 35X12. 50/17
Have the 31's (obviously not 10 ply) on my cherokee and love them.
And they are radials... not bias before someone chimes in about swampers.
super swamper trxus MT's. 3600# load rating in a 35X12. 50/17
Have the 31's (obviously not 10 ply) on my cherokee and love them.
And they are radials... not bias before someone chimes in about swampers.
I have the 10-ply 35" TrXus radial mud terrains myself - put them on to get rid of the death wobble prone BFG 315s. No problems so far, but it's too early for an informed opinion. I wanted the Toyos (also MTs), but couldn't wait for months. I have come to like the aggressive look of the TrXus, but there is definitely more road noise than the all-terrains I'm used to. They also have "more siping than everyone else's MT" that is supposed to help in wet/snow.
People get too "hung up" on "10 ply" First off, 10 ply rated usually means rated vs the actual number of plies- read the sidewall- it will tell you that.
So in a nutshell, it has to do with weight carrying capacity. A larger tire, like the 315/70 in a D rating usually comes with a higher lb rating than a stockish sized D rated tire and in the case of the BFG all terrain- it's approaching if not equal to a stockish E rated tire in capacity- mine are 3200 if I remember right- thats more than the axle can carry for 2 tires.
The D tire also does it at a lower pressure which means better ride. I've towed 8500lb tag trailers and 16000 lb goosenecks all over the country with no squirm/handling issues, and we run fast. The first set gave me 39000 miles and I'll get that out of the second set too. we tow about 25k a yr with the race team.
To each their own, but I see too many people blindly follow a rating without looking at the big picture.
Before someone comments on my sig- The toter took over midseason (comfort for family and crew and no hotels) this yr, the Dodge still has 70 k towing miles on it, so the experience is there, similar experience with the 01 Dodge I had.
So in a nutshell, it has to do with weight carrying capacity. A larger tire, like the 315/70 in a D rating usually comes with a higher lb rating than a stockish sized D rated tire and in the case of the BFG all terrain- it's approaching if not equal to a stockish E rated tire in capacity- mine are 3200 if I remember right- thats more than the axle can carry for 2 tires.
The D tire also does it at a lower pressure which means better ride. I've towed 8500lb tag trailers and 16000 lb goosenecks all over the country with no squirm/handling issues, and we run fast. The first set gave me 39000 miles and I'll get that out of the second set too. we tow about 25k a yr with the race team.
To each their own, but I see too many people blindly follow a rating without looking at the big picture.
Before someone comments on my sig- The toter took over midseason (comfort for family and crew and no hotels) this yr, the Dodge still has 70 k towing miles on it, so the experience is there, similar experience with the 01 Dodge I had.
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One thing to keep in mind is that the truck came with a requirement of a load range E tire. The load range specification has a great deal to do with safety. Even though the max capacity of a load range D tire may be higher than an E in some cases, if you compare most "D" tires to an "E" tire, the sidewall is stronger. This is a big factor in tire safety. When I had BFG 315 "D" tires on my truck, the set on the front always mushroomed out quite a bit, even at maximum inflation. I've not switched to Parnelli Jones 35" "E" tires and they do not do that, whether the inflation is at max or at the same PSI that I ran ghe BFG tires. In my opinion, the Load Range E tires are stronger all around and rated as such. Just my 2 cents!
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PATRIOT_Ram said:
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I respect your opinion but to help others who might still be forming theirs- I'll offer this- The truck comes with E tires cause in the size they deliver, you need an E to get the same weight rating that larger tires offer in a D. These ratings are needed to keep up with the SRW axle rating. My BFG all terrains (34. 5 tall) with a 3ply sidewall and a d rating offer the same 3195 lb rating as every BFG E rated 17" BFG tire I know of. As far as a "stronger" sidewall goes, sounds subjective unless you are suggesting that every e rated 17" tire actually has a 4 ply sidewall or greater.
I took a minute to look up the PJ's, what's neat is they do have the E rating in larger sizes and you can get a higher capacity of 3600ish for more margin, though you need to go with a 35. 3" tire to do it. The 33. 3" E tire comes in at 3085 while their smaller E tires come in at 2910.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the max load rating of the tire has more to do with safety than any letter rating which has a large variety of load ratings and actual number of plies in the sidewall.
The mushroom factor you mention is known to be common in radial tires. There are several variables besides pressure such as tread width, relative rim width to tread width and of course weight on the tire.
I'm glad you're happy with your PJ's and it's great that higher capacity tires are out there in larger sizes.
I'm just further explaining my reasoning to the suggestion that there is too much blind faith in an E rating being the definative factor in tire selection.
Rockcrawler
I realize you are expressing an opinion based on your experience, but I have to add a word of caution as this is an area where someone could get talked into doing something dangerous. The load ratings (E, D, etc. ) are a realative measure of sidewall stiffness/stability. The blind faith here is in the listed capacity of the tire. Both are used because both are needed to adequately describe the capabilities of the tire - neither is definitive. The higher capacities you are seeing for larger tires is a simple matter of physics. Pounds per square inch is exactly that - when you multiply by the larger contact patch of our new bigger tires, the tire is capable of exerting more force to hold up the truck with the same air pressure. All this tells you is that you won't have to over inflate the tire to maintain the correct contact patch. E rated tires are designed to be much stiffer at the correct contact patch - look at the differences in inflation pressures between "D" and "E" tires! And keep in mind this stuff is designed for the edge of the envelope - emergency maneuvers and such. A softer tire with less air is going to roll onto its sidewall with side loading.
You speak of experience (and it is obvious you have done a lot of towing), but that also means you are most likely a skilled driver. A weaker tire may not pose much of a problem for you, but could get a lesser driver in trouble. I like the way the alignment is set up on my vette - but I am glad GM didn't ship them that way. I would hate to be dodging little out of control fiberglass bullets all the time with my truck.
For my own experience - I had death wobble with the D rated BFGs. Seems the softer sidewalls feed into "toe fight". After switching to E rated tires I have seen no symptoms of death wobble. By the way - I've got 4 BFG 315s with about 10k miles on them looking for a new home. Too bad you're in AR instead of AZ.
I realize you are expressing an opinion based on your experience, but I have to add a word of caution as this is an area where someone could get talked into doing something dangerous. The load ratings (E, D, etc. ) are a realative measure of sidewall stiffness/stability. The blind faith here is in the listed capacity of the tire. Both are used because both are needed to adequately describe the capabilities of the tire - neither is definitive. The higher capacities you are seeing for larger tires is a simple matter of physics. Pounds per square inch is exactly that - when you multiply by the larger contact patch of our new bigger tires, the tire is capable of exerting more force to hold up the truck with the same air pressure. All this tells you is that you won't have to over inflate the tire to maintain the correct contact patch. E rated tires are designed to be much stiffer at the correct contact patch - look at the differences in inflation pressures between "D" and "E" tires! And keep in mind this stuff is designed for the edge of the envelope - emergency maneuvers and such. A softer tire with less air is going to roll onto its sidewall with side loading.
You speak of experience (and it is obvious you have done a lot of towing), but that also means you are most likely a skilled driver. A weaker tire may not pose much of a problem for you, but could get a lesser driver in trouble. I like the way the alignment is set up on my vette - but I am glad GM didn't ship them that way. I would hate to be dodging little out of control fiberglass bullets all the time with my truck.
For my own experience - I had death wobble with the D rated BFGs. Seems the softer sidewalls feed into "toe fight". After switching to E rated tires I have seen no symptoms of death wobble. By the way - I've got 4 BFG 315s with about 10k miles on them looking for a new home. Too bad you're in AR instead of AZ.
Heath,
I've got friends in PHX- shoot me a pm on what you want for the tires, I'll be due in spring but could buy and get them from my buds next season.
Typically, E's do run at higher pressures to get the load capacity, but with the bigger meats it is often 65 vs 60 which is Pee in the proverbial pond. Do me a favor- or any of you with E tires, go outside, read your sidewall and post up how many plies you actually have and what your tire size is, max pressure and max load- I'm curious.
Contact patch can have as much to do with tread width and wheel width- for instance, the stock 8" wheels are really kinda skinny for a 315 and some 315's (or any size tire) will have significantly different tread widths, but many do it. A wider wheel, shorter or stiffer sidewall and of course air pressure all serve to reduce squirm- but most of us don't need vette handling in our trucks, just want it to be safe, drive right and not have a death wobble.
Did you change only tires or was alignment and balance changed as well? did you have cord separation or irregular wear patterns- all will contribute to the dreaded death wobble.
I've got friends in PHX- shoot me a pm on what you want for the tires, I'll be due in spring but could buy and get them from my buds next season.
Typically, E's do run at higher pressures to get the load capacity, but with the bigger meats it is often 65 vs 60 which is Pee in the proverbial pond. Do me a favor- or any of you with E tires, go outside, read your sidewall and post up how many plies you actually have and what your tire size is, max pressure and max load- I'm curious.
Contact patch can have as much to do with tread width and wheel width- for instance, the stock 8" wheels are really kinda skinny for a 315 and some 315's (or any size tire) will have significantly different tread widths, but many do it. A wider wheel, shorter or stiffer sidewall and of course air pressure all serve to reduce squirm- but most of us don't need vette handling in our trucks, just want it to be safe, drive right and not have a death wobble.
Did you change only tires or was alignment and balance changed as well? did you have cord separation or irregular wear patterns- all will contribute to the dreaded death wobble.
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Mine says 3,525 at 65psi It says "load range E"
With my daily driving I run the fronts at 40psi and the rear at 35psi. The last time I towed, I aired up the rear to 45psi. The tires are much firmer even at the lower pressure. I had 285/75/16 BFG AT/KOs for a long time (actually put about 70k on them) but I had to keep them aired up to 65psi all the time.
All I know is that I was having DW problems with the "Load Range D" tires. I made caster positive adjustments and put the "Load Range E" tires on and never had the slightest DW again. I'll never go back to Ds. I'm a believer in the difference.
With my daily driving I run the fronts at 40psi and the rear at 35psi. The last time I towed, I aired up the rear to 45psi. The tires are much firmer even at the lower pressure. I had 285/75/16 BFG AT/KOs for a long time (actually put about 70k on them) but I had to keep them aired up to 65psi all the time.
All I know is that I was having DW problems with the "Load Range D" tires. I made caster positive adjustments and put the "Load Range E" tires on and never had the slightest DW again. I'll never go back to Ds. I'm a believer in the difference.
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Ken,
Mine are 10pr, actual 5 ply. 2 poly, 1 nylon, and 2 steel. The sidewall is 2 poly. Max load is 3,640 @ 65psi. I had the DW with my BFG load range D, but not with the new PJ E tires. After the DW with the BFG, I had my alignment checked -- specifically the caster, and it was well within spec. No alignment changes. The only change was the tires, and the DW has not come back under the same conditions as it happened before with the BFGs.
The BFGs also squashed down more on the front, causing more rubber to be in contact with the pavement. I had difficulty meneuvering in parking lots. The dealer even replaced the power steering pump under warranty and it didn't help. After installing the LR E tires, that problem went away as well, even at the same air pressure as the BFG. I'm convinced that the primary difference and benefit from a D to E is that the sidewall is stronger in the E tires, even though some D rated tires have a higher capacity than some of the Es.
My $0. 02 again!
Mine are 10pr, actual 5 ply. 2 poly, 1 nylon, and 2 steel. The sidewall is 2 poly. Max load is 3,640 @ 65psi. I had the DW with my BFG load range D, but not with the new PJ E tires. After the DW with the BFG, I had my alignment checked -- specifically the caster, and it was well within spec. No alignment changes. The only change was the tires, and the DW has not come back under the same conditions as it happened before with the BFGs.
The BFGs also squashed down more on the front, causing more rubber to be in contact with the pavement. I had difficulty meneuvering in parking lots. The dealer even replaced the power steering pump under warranty and it didn't help. After installing the LR E tires, that problem went away as well, even at the same air pressure as the BFG. I'm convinced that the primary difference and benefit from a D to E is that the sidewall is stronger in the E tires, even though some D rated tires have a higher capacity than some of the Es.
My $0. 02 again!
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