3500 SRW Towing 18K Concerns

[Cummins12V98]

"Cummin12V is above his door sticker GVWR too, go pick on him for a while "

Hey now! I get picked on too much already I think my "FEELING" has been hurt.

So much so I ordered a Longhorn Maxed out so no one will be pickin on me anymore.

 

[TMRoper1669]

Enjoy the new stable ride! Good choice on the B&W!

Thanks, I have been using the companion since 2006 and wouldn't even look any other direction. I have had a 93', 04' & 10' dually and know how they pull I think everyone on here needs to remember at the end of the day it's all about personal preference and risks you personally want to take. I have pulled short loads of over 18k with my 13' SRW but I personally would feel more comfortable on long hauls with a dually. In my own opnion.

 

[Road Dog]

I find these threads confusing. When the CVSE (Commercial Vehicle Safety & Enforcement) is inspecting there are two sets of restrictions -- physical limits and licensing limits. The physical limits include GVW (sticker on the door), GAWR (sticker), tire maximum, receiver maximum (sticker on receiver) and so on. Same for the trailer axles and tires. No sticker or plate means they use some default that you may not like. Exceed these and you're off the road. You can't change them either (well, you can change the tires). Changing the GVW of your truck requires an engineer to sign off on the mods.

The second restriction is the LICENSED weight which is the truck, trailer and payload and can be anything you want. It's a LICENSING fee and really has nothing to do with the size of your truck. As the weight goes up you get into vehicle inspections and medical inspections and different driver's licenses.

I have trouble believing that state inspectors or troopers or whatever don't care about the GVW and if you're licensed for 20,000# you can load 12,000# in the back of your truck and you're good to go.

 

[Bohemian]

You appear to be having a hard time following the thread, and not just on this. You have made several posts that indicate a lack of comprehension on the topic.

I agree. One of us does not comprehend and is in a grand case of detailed rationalization of why they are allowed to exceed specifications. You have obviously put a great deal of detailed work and argumentation into your justifications as to why you can exceed specifications.

 

[AH64ID]

They can fine you for being over GAWR, even if over by 100 pounds with tires rated for 500 pounds over the GAWR.

Under what code? I cannot find a single code that refers to GAWR for anything except TAG axles. You cannot be fined on a whim, it had to be a DOT regulation.

I am well within my axle and tire limits at that weight and it really is rock solid.

I'm sure it is quite stable. My SRW is rock solid solid at 12K, even more than a stock DRW... But that wasn't what I was asking.

All this talk of limits, so where does the 12,300 come from? Is it brakes? (Brakes are based on GVWR, not axle). Is it the frame limit? Suspension? We do know that a DRW has the axle and tires to go to the 10,912 AAM limit, so why stop at 9,350 in 03-12? Why a bigger axle for 9,750? Or was that based on torque, and the extra weight was for "ratings"?? Why give a RAWR and a FAWR that combined far exceed the GVWR? I know plenty is marketing and keeping the truck in the proper class, but??

Just questions.

I can find plenty to push the door limits on my SRW by simply looking to the DRW, but where do you look with a DRW?

 

[AH64ID]

I agree. One of us does not comprehend and is in a grand case of detailed rationalization of why they are allowed to exceed specifications. You have obviously put a great deal of detailed work and argumentation into your justifications as to why you can exceed specifications.

It's all here, in black and white..

Go back and re-read your post, #26 in this thread, and tell me how you are following the thread. No one has ever accused you of anything except the inability to follow the thread.

The only thing that makes sense is that this user login is a 2nd one for you, and you a posted something about one login while using the other.

So much so I ordered a Longhorn Maxed out so no one will be pickin on me anymore.

You will love it!

I presume they let you order the air suspension?

 

[Cummins12V98]

It's all here, in black and white..

Go back and re-read your post, #26 in this thread, and tell me how you are following the thread. No one has ever accused you of anything except the inability to follow the thread.

The only thing that makes sense is that this user login is a 2nd one for you, and you a posted something about one login while using the other.




You will love it!

I presume they let you order the air suspension?

I would not have ordered without the rear air ride! I love this Dually but The 15 will be DA ****!

 

[NIsaacs]

Just some random thoughts/experience hauling/towing, GAW, GVW, GCW, SRW and DRW. In my 50 years of hauling commercial and personal, I have never had my Cab sticker, axle or tire capacity questioned or checked. For the most part, I don't even think about any of it, just do my thing. Some times you better be under the ratings, other times over.

Case in point: 2014 Ram 4 door, 4x4, top of the line 1500 Eco-Diesel. They have an 800 lb pay load. I would have no problem loading up 4-200lb guys, dumping 800 lbs of gravel in the bed and driving the speed limit coast to coast. I am double the specs.

If you are towing with a gooseneck or fifth wheel, you can exceed the specs, SRW or DRW without much drama. Bumper pull, different story. I would not exceed the loaded weight of the SRW tow vehicle with the towed vehicle. Dually, you can up that some.

Tow bar towing. SRW, you better keep the tow vehicle way heavier than the towed vehicle, DRW, is way better here.

Now, hauling as a stand alone vehicle. Here your rock solid dually can become a wimp. Take a new 3500 Ram dually, rated for 14k GVW, install a flatbed/stock rack combo on it and try and haul 7 cows. You will only do it once. Yet, you can haul that same weight on a gooseneck or fifth wheel and not look back.

If your weight is inboard of the springs, (gooseneck/fifth wheel) there is no issue, SRW or DRW. If that weight is outboard of the springs (cows that move, any wide, top heavy load such as hay) different story, the dually is not much of an improvement here.

Nick

 

[Bohemian]

Usually, not until there is an accident. An overweight truck hit a main support on the Mystic River Bridge in Boston. Shut down the bridge for years. They checked the weight. They roasted the driver and the company. Of course they check weights. just not every day under every circumstance. Nor even a majority of the miles driven.

 

[Bohemian]

It's all here, in black and white..

Go back and re-read your post, #26 in this thread, and tell me how you are following the thread. No one has ever accused you of anything except the inability to follow the thread.

The only thing that makes sense is that this user login is a 2nd one for you, and you a posted something about one login while using the other.




You will love it!

I presume they let you order the air suspension?

I see you are still failing at your personal insult and intimidation routine. Sad that you frequently feel it necessary to go that route. I'm done with you.

 

[AH64ID]

I see you are still failing at your personal insult and intimidation routine. Sad that you frequently feel it necessary to go that route. I'm done with you.

Not the case, but like you have done so far in this thread you are missing the black and white. You said you were leaving before, but you didn't.

You still never introduced yourself or what you drive/tow and told me I was making assumptions about you. They aren't in here that I can see, but you can keep trying to pull that focus away... Or just go away. Based your previous actions after saying "bye" and going nowhere I can guess you will be back

Lighten up and have fun... And maybe introduce yourself already, unless you really don't feel like it's important. What's sad is your a new guy, in theory, to the board but don't feel like introducing yourself and are taking comments/questions directed at other members and personal attacks on you.

Case in point: 2014 Ram 4 door, 4x4, top of the line 1500 Eco-Diesel. They have an 800 lb pay load. I would have no problem loading up 4-200lb guys, dumping 800 lbs of gravel in the bed and driving the speed limit coast to coast. I am double the specs.

While a 1/2 ton is a 1/2 ton and a LD pickup, the Ram 1500 ratings are a little low... then again F-150's are too high for a LD pickup, IMHO.

What the heck is on the Laramie Longhorn that weighs 352lbs more than a bighorn!!!

Some of the 3/4 ton Diesel payloads are impressively low as well, and shouldn't be.

Given the build strength of today's pickups there is no reason a fully loaded 1/2 ton shouldn't have a 1500-2000lb payload, a 3/4 or 1 ton SRW 2500-3500lb, and a DRW as much as a Class III rating allows. We are getting closer, especially in the HD market, but 840lbs on a $50K 1/2 ton is insane, my POS DD VW Jetta has a higher payload.

 

[Cummins12V98]

"What the heck is on the Laramie Longhorn that weighs 352lbs more than a bighorn!!!"

It's all that fancy stitching, saddle bags on the back of the front seats, thick luxurious leather, oh and those two HUGE LONGHORN BELT BUCKLES on the front fenders!!!