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dpuckett

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Gotcha- You thought I had gotten there or seen someone who had. didnt ya? Not quite.



After Nascar Mark reported his 300+ rwhp, there were a few speculations about getting 400hp to the wheels with a VE pump. I have been pondering the replies at that time (few months back- Feb or Mar) and came to the conclusion that we have the airflow already done- basically do what they do in the 2nd genners making that kind of power. I've been thinking (that's the burning smell you have noticed), and the other part of the equation is the fuelling. It has been said the VE will flow enough fuel, just not at as high a pressure as the newer ones. SO... ..... here's what I've thought up so far.



Ported head- the first gen heads are not exactly ideal in their in and outflow, or so I've heard. While you have the head off, put a thicker gasket in place of the stock one.



Turbo(s)- twins of some variation, obviously. And, naturally, a 4-5" exhaust.



Timing would have to be advanced to take up the slack of the lesser compression ratio. Fuel flow would need to be increased, but not so much as to compromise longevity or reliability. Perhaps a bit more than the "230" pumps advertised here and around?



Injectors- Here's the biggey. I got an idea from the 2nd gen forum a while back when someone had 14 holes in the tip of a 24V injector. While we might not have to go that extreme, consideration would have to be taken in regards to injection angle and pop pressure, as well as gross flow (is there such a thing?) I was thinking of honing the stock injectors from a 92-93 (6 hole tips) to about the diameter of "stock" Lucas PODs. Or maybe honing a set of 4 hole injectors (PODs? maybe skip the extrude honing on them) a hair, then adding 4 more holes about half the diameter of the originals, in between the first 4. In my mind, at least, either of these would give sufficient flow, and yet with enough holes to allow decent atomization.



While I wish and dream of having that kind of money and putting it to better use, what do some of you guys think? Am I just plain nuts, and it would never work? Or have I stumbled on a piece of genius that will make me rich? I believe it would fall in the middle, leaning more toward the nuttier end.



Those with more technical training and experience (which doesnt take much to surpass me) please chime in. It would be nice to break 400 in a year or so if someone hasnt beat me (us) to it, and I just didnt notice it.



You would of course, have to upgrade the drivetrain to handle the 1000 LB-Ft of torque. I would like something that would also be good for a daily driver, and be able to tow with- hate downshifting with 20K GCVW up a 7% grade-, so back to airflow and getting that atomization right.



Daniel
 
Add to that list a better cam with some more lift and/or duration to handle the increased air flow.



Bigger valves to get the air in and out.



A bigger intercooler to for better air quality. From the banks sidewinder project it looks like there should be 40 to 50 HP avaible by getting charge air temp down say 30 degrees.



More holes in the injector tip would definitely improve the atomization and flow. I think the holes would have to be the same size and evenly spaced though. Differing flow rates and atomization could cause weird burn patterns and reactions.



The delivery valves are a bottle neck in the pump also. That might have to be a custom job cuz there are not a lot of choices for the VE pump.



Sure 400 rwhp is doable. After all its only money. Don't want to give it all to Uncle Sam or leave it for the kids. :D
 
Well, there's no sense in being depressed all by myslef... so... . we're gonna have to aim higher than that to be "first" ... ... if you know what I mean.



Bob.
 
A bigger intercooler to for better air quality. From the banks sidewinder project it looks like there should be 40 to 50 HP avalible by getting charge air temp down say 30 degrees.



That is a bit much but getting it down into the 60's is not out of question, gasser blower/turbo guys do this.



Jim
 
:cool: :D :cool:





BTW Jim... .



Do you happen to know at what pressure the nitrous and/or propane is fed into the intake system????

Obviously the CFM is determined by jetting, but I'm curious about the pressures at the jet inlet, do you have any ideas on that???





Bob.
 
:-laf :-laf ... ... ... who me..... drugs... ... . naaaaaa:-laf :-laf



Hey, I'm just curious is all... ... . are ya buyin it yet... ... ;);)...



We doan need no steenkeen drugs... ... .



bungle in the jungle guys... .
 
Well, you asked for it..... :-laf



Walking through forests of palm tree apartments

scoff at the monkeys who live in their dark tents

down by the waterhole, drunk every Friday,

eating their nuts saving their raisins for Sunday.

Lions and tigers who wait in the shadows,

they're fast but they're lazy, and sleep in green meadows.

Let's bungle in the jungle

well, that's all right by me.

I'm a tiger when I want love,

but I'm a snake if we disagree.



Just say a word and the boys will be right there:

with claws at your back to send a chill through the night air.

Is it so frightening to have me at your shoulder?

Thunder and lightning couldn't be bolder.

I'll write on your tombstone, "I thank you for dinner. "

This game that we animals play is a winner.



Let's bungle in the jungle

well, that's all right by me.

I'm a tiger when I want love,

but I'm a snake if we disagree.



The rivers are full of crocodile nasties

and He who made kittens put snakes in the grass.

He's a lover of life but a player of pawns

yes, the King on His sunset lies waiting for dawn

to light up His Jungle as play is resumed.

The monkeys seem willing to strike up the tune.



Let's bungle in the jungle

well, that's all right by me.

I'm a tiger when I want love,

but I'm a snake if we disagree.



:D :D :D :p :p :p



Sean
 
:D :) ... OK !!! Now **THAT** is worth a full 10 RWHP bonus... ... I was even able to "hear the tune" to those words..... ohhhhhh mannn... . I'm getting way too old...



Thanks formula, that made my day... :D:D:D



Pastor Bob.
 
And in my software support class I played the part of Judge-Mental. Now if I were a real judge, I would put both of you behind bars for contempt. So BOB, what was it like before wheels?





Dave AKA Judge-Mental
 
Ohh Wow Mannnnn... . Dave's not here..... :D:D



Either I'm too old to remember myself or I'm not as old as I thought... .



That wooshhh sound you hear is Judge-Mental going right over MY head anyway... ... how bout a tip or something...



Friar Bob.
 
WEll,



Guess we got the answer. Old Smoky got 450!!!!! See Nascar Mark's post about 348 rwhp. I gotta work some more, and get the $$$ to get in on this. Going out to CO this week to get my pickup; if I have the $45, I'll get an e- test, just to get a ball park idea where I'm at. I'd guess 220 rwhp.



Daniel
 
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