Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting .45 auto pistol which is best and most durable

[BILLVO]

Sounds good. 10 mm is a potent load. It proved to be too much for some guns but in a Glock it should serve you well. Follow the reloading charts and do not exceed recommendations. I am sure you know better but it is not good to have a gun blow up in your face

I started a new thread for the 10mm info.



I had an old police issue S&W snub nose revolver in 38 special blow up in my hand but it was not from overloads it was from improperly stored 30 year old factory ammo, it blew a chunck out of the barrel where it meats the cylinder and it bent the cylinder arm. It was my friends fathers gun... ... ... . Needless to say he wasn't impressed. We were in high school at the time just playing and using up the old ammo. We should have known better as the 38 ammo was just about tearing a 357 revolver out of our hands it was so hot and powerfull.

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Most often the blown up guns are from a round being fired that had no powder in the cartridge case and the primer was able to push the bullet half way down the barrel. firing the next shot without removing the bullet is always a disaster. Survival is a miracle. Shooting glasses could prevent blindness in such a case. Automatics can and do go full auto when there is an internal problem. First time firing an auto should be done by putting only 2 rounds in the clip/magazine and pulling the trigger once and looking to see if there is still a round in the magazine. if there is all is well. If not you have fired 2 rounds so fast it sounded like one. There would have been much more recoil. If under warranty send it back and if not take it to a competent gun smith. If a full clip goes full auto you may not be able to control it and that could be a disaster. If I just had a gun worked on by a Gunsmith I would still test it. Shooting is a wonderful sport but one where safety rules are an absolute must for obvious reasons. You wouldn't get under your truck without jack stands. A seal in a hydraulic jack can blow and your wife would become a widow. Most hydraulic jacks are made in China. REGARDS

 

[Mhannink]

i just bought a springfield xdm 40 4. 5 i really love the gun, shoots very nice, its comfortable, came with 16rd mags. i am going to change the barrell out to a . 357sig, been looking at the ballistics and talking to people around me and they really like the sig round. has anyone here shot a . 357sig? what do you think of it?

 

[CBarr]

CBarr

357 Sig is OK, Have had 357's, still have 45 & 40 Cal.



The 357 either in SIG or standard configuration is a fine cartidge. FBI conducted some tests back in the day (1970's I think). More 1 shot knock downs with the 357 than other cartidges.



The cartidge shoots well, reloads well, and a real stopper!

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Mhannink; I have a springfield in XD, 45 acp. springfield has gone all out to beat the competition. I have it in the compact and sometimes carry it. I also have the Glock 30 (45acp) for carry. They are great for that but for target give me a 70 series colt or a model 25 S&W revolver. I don't much care for anything less than a 45. The smaller calibers have too much penetration. A drug addict will not know he has been hit. A 45 would knock him down if it hits a bone. I am 83 and was raised in the Philippines (born in Cincinnati) and I remember the stories about one of the wild tribes occasionally coming to town drugged up with a big machete and chopping people up. A 38 special they would not notice but a 45 put them down and gave time for a second shot if need be. I know 9 mm and such is cheaper to shoot and if you don't reload it seems like a good choice. I always come home from the range with more brass than i took there so for me reloading costs me $7. 50 to $8. 00 for 50. That is slightly less than half for factory rounds. My reloading press is a a Dillon 650 and I would not recommend anything else. I have been reloading since the 60's. Does not make me an expert but I still enjoy it and would be glad to answer questions. My Ram is a 98 12v and it will no doubt outlast me. -- email address removed --

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

CBarr; Clock makes a 357 sig chambering and no doubt it is a fine round. I hesitate because I don't know if there are re-loading problems with a neck down case. I know you said it reloads well. I don't much like switching dies in my press. I am happy with I got. Seems like there is always something else.

 

[DSpringstead]

I own a 5" service length XD in a 45 & absolutely love it! In fact I loved it so much I sent it back to S/A custom shop for a custom pkg. Even though the XD is now the way S/A SHOULD be making them, it is my #1 choice for carry. If 14 rounds (13 in the mag & 1 in the tube) aren't enough then throw it down & walk away. Granted there are others but for the money you can't beat the reliability & the price. IMHO

 

[BIGNASTY]

Para USA, High-Quality Handguns: Products I love mine if you cant do what need's to be done with 14 then save the last one for yourself. The only thing I have done to All my hand guns is send it to Cylinder & Slide Inc and have them work their magic on it same as above just a different stroke for different folk. Trillium gun sights are a must for nite time trigger work, Lazers just let them know HERE I COME WITH MY GUN Trillium sights are easy to use and can be seen very well NIGHT OR day.

 

[DSpringstead]

Yeah BIGNASTY I do agree about the sights. When I sent my XD back to the custom shop I had the following done:

National match barrel hand fitted to the action

The entire hand grip stippeled

A extended mag release button installed

A 4lb trigger

all overtravel taken out

And my own set of truglo TFO sights, fiber optic by day & tritium by night.

And S/A's own "extreme flauge" finish done to all the metal parts.

Groups very nicely at 25 yds but in essence that's overkill..... no pun intended

 

[Mhannink]

357 Sig is OK, Have had 357's, still have 45 & 40 Cal.



The 357 either in SIG or standard configuration is a fine cartidge. FBI conducted some tests back in the day (1970's I think). More 1 shot knock downs with the 357 than other cartidges.



The cartidge shoots well, reloads well, and a real stopper!

the tests where on . 357 mags not the sig. as far as i know the . 357sig didnt appear till 1994, also have read from several sources that the sig is becoming standard issue for many police agencies, and is already standard issue for secret service.

Mhannink; I have a springfield in XD, 45 acp. springfield has gone all out to beat the competition. I have it in the compact and sometimes carry it. I also have the Glock 30 (45acp) for carry. They are great for that but for target give me a 70 series colt or a model 25 S&W revolver. I don't much care for anything less than a 45. The smaller calibers have too much penetration. A drug addict will not know he has been hit. A 45 would knock him down if it hits a bone. I am 83 and was raised in the Philippines (born in Cincinnati) and I remember the stories about one of the wild tribes occasionally coming to town drugged up with a big machete and chopping people up. A 38 special they would not notice but a 45 put them down and gave time for a second shot if need be. I know 9 mm and such is cheaper to shoot and if you don't reload it seems like a good choice. I always come home from the range with more brass than i took there so for me reloading costs me $7. 50 to $8. 00 for 50. That is slightly less than half for factory rounds. My reloading press is a a Dillon 650 and I would not recommend anything else. I have been reloading since the 60's. Does not make me an expert but I still enjoy it and would be glad to answer questions. My Ram is a 98 12v and it will no doubt outlast me. -- email address removed --

thanks for the offer for help and information i will probably take you up on it at some point. i always like to get as much information as possible. as for the . 40 and . 45 i do like the rounds very much my dream is to eventually own a tricked out colt or kimber 1911 in . 45. as for the . 357 the ballistics i have looked at which is all factory loads show the top end of the . 357sig to have more energy then the top end . 45, but your right it does have more penetration. so i think it really boils down to personal preference. talking to some friends of mine in armed forces and police agencies they really like the looks of the sig round and think it will be a very good round for my needs.

CBarr; Clock makes a 357 sig chambering and no doubt it is a fine round. I hesitate because I don't know if there are re-loading problems with a neck down case. I know you said it reloads well. I don't much like switching dies in my press. I am happy with I got. Seems like there is always something else.

glock does make one most all the manufacturers now offer a . 357sig option in at least one of their weapons. i really like the xdm based on having handled several weapons before buying and talking to my "expert" friends who risk their lives and have to rely on their weapon to keep them breathing.



as for reloading i have not gotten into that yet and wont for sometime. i dont have a lot of firearms and dont shoot nearly as often as i would like nor enough to make reloading economical at this point.



i still really do want peoples opinion on the . 357sig. i like honest evaluations both good and bad. it helps me get a better view of what im looking at.

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

BILLVO; You did good. 10mm and 40 cal are the same diameter as you no doubt already know. the case of the 10mm is slightly longer than the 40. I hear of guys that like to hunt with the 10mm. When the 10mm first came out it was too much for the Colt. I read somewhere they cracked. With a Glock you will never have to worry. Surprising as it may seem Wally World sometimes has ammo at a good price. It does not last long so you have to get to know when their shipments come in.

 

[Dl5treez]

i still really do want peoples opinion on the . 357sig. i like honest evaluations both good and bad. it helps me get a better view of what im looking at.

It is a loud, flat shooting, accurate, long range (for a handgun) flamethrower of a cartridge that for all intents and purposes is expensive to shoot and sort of a PITA to reload.

But... . pretty cool. I like it. A lot.

 

[Mhannink]

It is a loud, flat shooting, accurate, long range (for a handgun) flamethrower of a cartridge that for all intents and purposes is expensive to shoot and sort of a PITA to reload.



But... . pretty cool. I like it. A lot.

That sounds fun to me. The. 357sig is more my personal defense round I will switch to the . 40 most times I fire that weapon. Though I will familirize myself with both calibers so as to be ready for any situation where I may need to call upon that weapon in either size. So far your description seems fitting for my needs. Loud, accurate, flat, long range, flamethrower are all good things. If I can't hit the *******s then at least ill scare the hell out of them.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Yeah BIGNASTY I do agree about the sights. When I sent my XD back to the custom shop I had the following done:

National match barrel hand fitted to the action

The entire hand grip stippeled

A extended mag release button installed

A 4lb trigger

all overtravel taken out

And my own set of truglo TFO sights, fiber optic by day & tritium by night.

And S/A's own "extreme flauge" finish done to all the metal parts.

Groups very nicely at 25 yds but in essence that's overkill..... no pun intended

I cant remember all that they did to the Para but it will shoot WAY BETTER than I can. I have always used Cylinder and slide they made my 629 so smooooooooth that even I can shoot double action pretty darn good.