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Any input on what would be considered normal operating trans temp???

My truck is a 2005 ram 2500 4x2 quadcab, I'm running a Banks convertor,ATS valve body and a Mag Hytec double deep pan. This past week the air temp here in Chicago hit 90 degrees. Now I'm not running any load and not pulling any trailer, my trans temp was running 210-220 degrees. Doesn't this seem a little high????? Do I need a bigger trans cooler?????? What could I expect if I put a 5000lb. plus trailer behind this truck???? Higher temps?????? ANY ADVICE... ... ... ... ... ... .....
 
KBaumann said:
Any input on what would be considered normal operating trans temp???

My truck is a 2005 ram 2500 4x2 quadcab, I'm running a Banks convertor,ATS valve body and a Mag Hytec double deep pan. This past week the air temp here in Chicago hit 90 degrees. Now I'm not running any load and not pulling any trailer, my trans temp was running 210-220 degrees. Doesn't this seem a little high????? Do I need a bigger trans cooler?????? What could I expect if I put a 5000lb. plus trailer behind this truck???? Higher temps?????? ANY ADVICE... ... ... ... ... ... .....



Where is the probe located?
 
Welcome to the group! Good on ya for getting a trans temp gage. 240-250 and synthetic oil is pushed to it's limit, 260 and you need to do something fast cus your oil's going south fast. Things you can do is let your converter lock-up and this will cool the oil. Shear friction in the converter generates the most heat. Welcome to the group again!------RJ
 
Not an expert but city driving, stops and goes and hard on the transmission and develope alot of heat. Once the torque convertor locs up in 3rd or OD heat should no longer be a problem. Depends where you are pulling. City driving, go easy on the gas. Even a transmission cooler has problems when there is minimum air flow over the fins. Make sure you are using synthetic, change fluid often ( annually) make sure the transmission is wall flushed and serviced when you change fluids.

Ron
 
KBaumann said:
I'm using the probe mount supplied in the trans pan, and a Cobalt gauge.



That is high, something must be wrong. I have my probe in a PML deep pan and I cannot get over 190 empty no matter how much stop and go I am in, usually it runs about 170. I would have it checked, does it smell burned at all?
 
Like Bertram65 said I have the Mag Hytec DD pan with the prob in the pan. My guage reads 165 to 175 on a 100 degree day. Never gone over 200 even with a load.
 
I'm running stock and towing a 35 ft camper and have not hit over 195 on my pan-mounted Isspro trans gauge in our Texas heat since I have owned the truck. Unloaded, that does not sound good for you in a more temperate northern climate... .
 
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That is WAYYYYY high for an unloaded truck in stop and go traffic :eek:



I can't remember if the 05 still has the check ball? Sounds to me like the check ball in the cooler circuit is stuck ;)



CJ
 
I think many people would be shocked at just how high the automatic transmission temperatures can get. For about the last three years I have been studying the relationship between transmission temperatures and the diesel powered trucks. Temperatures really become a issue when towing as most would expect, but they also become a problem with city traffic, or anytime you are forced to drive slow with repeated starts. There are large amounts of heat given off with every gear change, and every time the torque converter locks-up. This heat is usually not a problem, as the truck can absorb the heat and dispense of it through normally channels (heat exchangers,coolers). Which is OK if you are simply running through the gears and getting up to highway speeds, But if you are stuck in traffic or any other place that requires very slow speeds, these constant gear changes simply overwhelm the trucks ability to maintain a safe transmission fluid temperature. And by safe fluid temperature, I mean anything under 180°. Of-coarse, adding the additional load of a trailer or heavy payload will only make these temperatures soar faster and higher.

While pulling our test trailer, I have found as few as 4 traffic red lights in a row, caused the temperature to raise into the hot zone (temps of 190° and more), that's not much margin. Also , once the transmission fluid hits 190° in stop and go traffic, the truck losses it's ability to cool the transmission. The reserve built into the trucks cooling system is compromised, and starts effecting other engine coolings systems, like water temperatures and engine oil temperatures. Also, anyone that has ever sat in traffic could see how the trucks air conditioning system is effected, it just doesn't seem to cool anymore. This is all do in part to the transmissions inability to maintain itself in slow traffic situations, during summer like weather.

The shocker wasn't how fast the towing vehicle overheated, but how much the non-towing truck was effected. Most including myself, didn't think there was an issue with a empty truck and automatic transmission fluid temperatures, but we were wrong. The empty truck mimicked the towing truck, although it took much longer for the temps to reach 190°, once there they too over-whelmed the trucks ability to cool itself. The key seems to be keeping the temps from rising above 190°, and the only way to do that is to run an axillary transmission fluid cooler.

Before I began my studies, I thought the reason I lost my first transmission was because it was weak or somehow outdated, but that was no where near the truth. What happened to my first transmission was it simply failed due to heat, it burnt itself up. Since then I have had the experience of tearing down a Dodge transmission, and they are very robust and well built pieces. But so is the Cummins, and allow it to overheat and it to will fail.

This is the reason I came out with the SUPER COOLER, it directly adds cooling capacity to the system that needs it the most, the transmission. It will not over-cool, which is a problem in it-self during winter conditions, but allows the transmission to function as normal with the safety blanket of a 2-stage auxiliary cooling system. Under normal conditions, the additional cooler helps keep temperatures down, some 25-55° cooler then the same truck without the cooler. And when you need it the most, the 2nd stage of cooling kicks in and again lowers temperatures another 25-50 °. This stage uses a electric fan, which is fully automatically controlled by a built-in thermostat. Once temperatures raise above 165°, the fan kicks on to help control any potential overheating problems. This system has worked great for me, I have been testing it for the last three years and have never had a overheating problem since. I have abused my transmission with pulling a triple axle, 16,000lb trailer under some of the most horrid conditions, with no problems at all. So, what began three years ago to prove the Dodge transmission was junk and outdated, has now turned into proving that transmission was and is still a very good and robust automatic transmission, just it needs a hand in the cooling department. And with my SUPER COOLER it's a great transmission. For more info in the SUPER COOLER visit us at www.proweldperformanceparts.com.
 
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I am using a BD X Monitor and see my transmission temp which is picked up from the sensor in the valve body transducer, not higher than 165 around town no load.
 
Last weekend I took my 2006 Ram2500 Diesel Automatic out for its first shakedown trip towing my 24ft trailer (approx 6000lb loaded). I have a temperature probe mounted on the transmission cooling line coming from the TX. This line carries the hottest oil which comes directly from the torque converter. What I saw during steady driving in the 50-60mph range were temps in the 190-210 range. As a side note I was in the Rocky Mtns at an altitude of 9,000ft plus. Air temperatures were in the mid to high 80s.



The shocker came when I moved on to a secondary (paved road) and made a climb up a winding section. The truck was pulling very comfortably in 2nd gear but I noticed the trans temp climbing and decided to slow down and pull the remainder of the grade in 1st gear. I want to emphasize that the truck was towing as though the trailer wasn't even attached. Turbo boost never exceeded 10psi. When I reached the crest of the grade the trans temp gage was sitting on 255deg. I took several minutes for the temp to start to drop. Initially, I thought the gage itself or probe had failed. But once the tx temp returned to normal and stayed there I realized it was not a gage problem. In the past on my previous two vehicles I have always monitored the tx pan temp. This is the first time I have monitored the the tx out oil temp.



If anyone else is monitoring the tx temp at the converter out discharge line I'd be interested in hearing from you.



Jerry K
 
I too am very surprised at the trans temps on these trucks. This is the 3rd Cummins I have owned, the other two being 6speeds H. O. s. I have had 3 PSD's as well all with auto's. Brand X always ran at 160-165 in 100 degree TX heat. They never went above 200 towing a 13K 5th wheel.



The new truck below is running 180-185 empty at 70-75mph in 95-100 degree heat. I have seen it at 195 in the city. This temp is being picked up by the Edge Attitude VIA the Dodge electronics. I have the Mag Hy-Tec ready to install this weekend which ups the capacity by 4 qts. I am hoping the cover with a synthetic refill brings the temps down 20-30 degrees. Heat is death to an auto transmission. Three of my employees are running Duramax's that do not go above 160 empty in the Texas heat. The pan on the 48RE sure is smaller than the other brands. I wonder how much of a total capacity difference there is between the three. The 04 PSD I just traded out of held 18 qts if memory serves me right.
 
I have an 05 QC 4x4 and can echo / reinforce the info above.

Recently installed a Mag-Hytec DD prior to towing a relatively

small load - Haulmark 20 ft enclosed, total about 4500 lbs

into TX and AR in upper 90s heat. I, too am (was) debating

the need to install an aux trans cooler. At 70MPH cruise

locked up in OD, trans temp (probe in pan) reads 165 to 170

and doesn't rise even when climbing hills with prolonged periods

of high boost and EGTs in the yellow.



Then we encountered a little traffic delay due to an accident.....



Moving slowly in traffic at around 25MPH with often speeding up

and slowing down (GENTLE speeding up and slowing down),

trans temp quickly climbed to 190 or so, and I'm convinced it

would have continued to climb, but fortunately our traffic

cleared up and we were able to get back to hwy speed in lockup.



Conclusion: I will have an auxiliary fan forced trans cooler

residing under my truck before the next time I take the trailer out.
 
I can echo that experience. See about the same temps here. As long as we are locked up, 155-165, but if we have to shift into second and hauling in stop and go quickly rises to 190+ and 220 is not unussual when frigging arround parking etc... That said my temp probe is in the hot line so temps rise quick and descend quick. We have recently installed upgraded vavle body and torque convertor. Shifts are firmer and much quicker. Loc up at lower rpm and able to stay in lockup longer. temp much better controlled, however they still rise in stop and go. Cooler just does not take care of maintaining the heat when there is no airflow so I would agree that the final solution is probably an additional cooler with its own fan if on has to be arround the cities much.

Ron
 
For normal every day driving with no trailer at highway speeds, I usually sit about 125-135 or so. That is with the probe in the test port on the rear passenger side of the transmission. Hook up the 37' gooseneck and 2 Jeeps and it will hold about 150-160 heading down the highway. Backing the trailer into the driveway is when I see my temps climb the most. Lugging that trailer up a slight incline at slow speed really makes them jump, pushing 200 or better.
 
Have any of you experienced strange shifting when the temps go above 230 deg? Mine starts upshifting into 3rd and locks at about 28-30mph and immediately jumps to 4th and lockup... sometimes barking the turbo.
 
I would get very concerned with thos temps. Anything above 210 and I take immediate action to lower the temp. With the torque converter locked you should not be getting temps above 180. In city stop and go the temps are harder to controll but if you are seeing these high temps and normal speeds it would be reason to search for the reason. Eg possible slipping in the torque converter or cooler malfuntion.
 
I don't have a gauge on the trans but I used a IR gun on the pan when it started acting up. I was getting 200-205 on the hottest spots. I was told by someone else that they got 237 on the scan tool when their pan IR'd 200.

With the stock trans I never had any drivability issues so I never thought about adding a trans temp gauge.

With the new trans the heat went up and the strange shift behavior over 230 degrees cropped up.

I guess it's time to order a temp gauge.

What really bugs me is why the thing upshift and locks so soon at 230? Nothing documented says it's supposed to act that way.

We changed out the temp sensor, the shift position switch and the whole valve body. No difference. We think it's the TC.
 
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