5.9 oil filters

[outatym]

I have been using BALDWIN BT7349 oil filter Made in the USA and at a wholesale filter house for 5. 20 each. I have now changed over to Amsoil and will now use there Oil filter and air filter.

 

[ENafziger]

I think the issue is as much with comprimising the strength of the filter media, can burst pressure, and the thread engagement than anything else.

--Eric

 

[cojhl2]

I was always under the impression that a 1" pipe would flow more liquid then 2 1/2" pipes. Would this be the same as fewer large holes v/s more smaller ones? Just seems like (especially when the oil is cold) the little holes would not flow well. Probably I am just weird... .....



Nick

Impression is correct. Not only is the area much more in the 1" pipe but without any anal I would guess the surface caused restriction would be less in the 1" also.

 

[MAshley]

You are correct a 1" hole has more area then 2 . 5 inch holes. In fact you need Four 1/2 holes to = a 1 inch hole in area. Now how it relates to oil flow ETC ... I have no idea, but 8 holes would be twice the area as the 1 inch hole. But this is assuming no restrictions, no frition ETC, but it sounds like its pretty much taken care of in the filter designs.



1/2 hole has 0. 19634954084936207 area X2 = . 3926990816987240

1" hole has 0. 7853981633974483 area

 

[Super Briar]

There was talk on the other forms about Fleetguard LF 9028 and the Baldwin BD7317 a dual bipass filter. Fleetguard makes it for the 5. 9 used in Kubota tractors. Talked to Fleetguard tech rep and they said it has the same flow rate and will fit on our trucks. They can not recomand it for our trucks because it is not listed as a cross ref. One of the fleetguard tech has been using one and likes it. Some people on the other forms has been using it for over a year. Fleetguard dealer has them on back order so I have a Baldwin I am going to use on the next oil change.

The Baldwin BD7317 & the Fleetgard LF9028 are two unique filters compared to regular spin-on oil filters. Each of these filters are of a two stage design. The first stage is the full flow part in which 100% of the oil flows through first. The second stage contains the by-pass filter in which 10-15% of the oil flows through.



The full flow part of each of these filters is rated at 30 microns & the second stage is rated at 5 microns.



A fella on another forum ran a 15 micron Amsoil Ea filter for 5k miles & then had the oil analyzed. Without changing the oil he replaced the Amsoil filter with a Baldwin BD7317 & ran the same oil another 2k miles & had the oil analyzed again. His second oil analysis as compared to the first showed that the Baldwin filter cut his soot level in half.



The problem about the technology of these filters is they are only marketed & made for fleet truck engines…but the good news is the BD7317 & the LF9028 fit the 5. 9L & 6. 7L Cummins engines in the Dodge trucks.



On paper the Baldwin has a slight edge over the Fleetgard in specs, the Fleetgard seems to be more expensive than Baldwin also. http://www.filterfinder.com/PDF Fil...s/Baldwin High Velocity Dual Flow Filters.pdf



Regards,

SB

 

[HOBrian]

I don't think there's a better filter out there than the Donaldson Endurance ELF-7349 for single pass efficiency. They can be found for ~ $12/each online.



Just some interesting information:

Amsoil EaO-80 --------- 15 micron (Absolute) -- 50% @ 7 micron

Donaldson ELF-7349------15 micron (Absolute) -- 50% @ 7 micron

F/G Strat LF-16035-------25 micron (Absolute)

F/G Std. LF-3972 --------35 micron (Absolute)

Wix 57620 Std-----------20 micron (Nominal)

Wix 57620 XE -----------14 micron (Nominal)

Baldwin BT-7339---------12 micron (Nominal)







--Eric</O

I beleive there are 3 different makers of the "Mopar" filter, with Fleetguard being one of them.



Personally I run the Donaldson ELF-7349, there isn't a better full flow. My 2nd choice would be the stratapore LF-16035.

Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JMBrutsche]

I just looked at one of my Fleetguard Filters from Geno's and it said "HECHO MEXICO"

For many years Holset Turbo Chargers were and may still be made in England.

I don't know if Fleetguard is or ever was made in USA. I know many were made in England.



Have a Great Day



JoeB

 

[cojhl2]

Go Baldwin

Me,, I'm a Baldwin user in everything it will fit! The 5. 9 is one of them!!



From my personal experience Baldwin gives excellent customer service.

 

[ENafziger]

The Baldwin BD7317 & the Fleetgard LF9028 are two unique filters compared to regular spin-on oil filters. Each of these filters are of a two stage design. The first stage is the full flow part in which 100% of the oil flows through first. The second stage contains the by-pass filter in which 10-15% of the oil flows through.

Interesting!!! Thanks for the info!

--Eric

 

[MAllen1]

Fleetguard is the way to go (if you can). Fleetguard IS where Mopar gets the Cummins filters. If you can't go Fleetguard, Baldwin is another reputable diesel/ heavy duty filter company. I haven't used in mass, but, i've heard people having good service out of Wix/Napa filters.

 

[Ncostello]

WIX... aka: Napa Gold are good filters for fuel, oil, air or hydraulic. We've used them for many years and millions of miles in a fleet of 20 International dump trucks (DT466 and DT530 and newer MaxForce engines), Dodge 3500 Cummins small dump trucks, Case and Cat heavy equipment and gas pickups.



Perhaps the Fleetguard filters are incrementally better in certain respects... but for cost versus protection WIX filters are an excellent alternative for those who don't have easy access to such. WIX are as close as your nearest Napa or Oreillys auto parts store. And prices are reasonable.



They are mostly an American made product. In some cases they rebadge Fleetguard filters... ISC fuel filters come to mind. Once I did see a transmission filter that was made in China... but mostly they are USA items.



Just a thought for those who are interested in options.



I don't doubt Baldwin, Donaldson or Fleetguard... but WIX/Napa Gold are worthwhile. They even make a line called XD for big rig engines and heavy equipment. Extended drain intervals... and spin flow technology.



I should say that in my Kubota tractor... I do prefer Kubota OEM fuel filters over WIX. They seem to fit better in the cannister.

 

[AH64ID]

Wix XE oil filters are slightly better than the stock Mopar filter (which isn't always made by Fleetguard, there are 3 mfgrs and only 1 is Fleetguard). But for a 3rd gen do not use Wix fuel filters, the published Wix specs do not meet the min filtration specs for the HPCR.

 

[EDankievitch]

I just installed the Baldwin BD 7317 filter ($17 at Long Island truckparts) all I can say is Wow! since this truckwas new the oil would turn black by the end of my driveway I've driven about 100 mi on this oil change and it's almost clear still !! I guess this filter works.

 

[AH64ID]

I just installed the Baldwin BD 7317 filter ($17 at Long Island truckparts) all I can say is Wow! since this truckwas new the oil would turn black by the end of my driveway I've driven about 100 mi on this oil change and it's almost clear still !! I guess this filter works.

On an 05?



Thats impressive, and surprising. I have a 2um bypass and my oil is black before I start the engine.

 

[seafish]

I just installed the Baldwin BD 7317 filter ($17 at Long Island truckparts) all I can say is Wow! since this truckwas new the oil would turn black by the end of my driveway I've driven about 100 mi on this oil change and it's almost clear still !! I guess this filter works.

That IS impressive... think I might like to give it a try sometime!!



Only thing is, I solved ALL my oil change problems and costs by buying a lifetime oil change service from Lithia Dodge for $595 when I first bought my new to me 2005. I figured that with the price of parts/oil per oil channge being about $60 (that was several years ago), the purchase would pay for itself in 2. 5 years, cuz they change the oil every 3000 miles up to 4 times per year, and then EVERY oil change after that, would be FREE !! I don't even worry that they use the CJ-4 oil cause at 3000 mile intervals what could wear out?? They said that I could bring my own CI-4+ oil if I wanted to, but what would be the point of that?? Lithia Dealers do not always have the best reputation, but I use one in Santa Rosa that has treated me really well so far, service AND parts t, AND they have a 5 star certified diesel mechanic who drives a CTD. I turned him onto to TDR, so we get along pretty well.



Anyway, back to the Baldwin #7317, for the cost of $20, maybe I'll bring them one to spin on sometime, just to see if it really can lower soot in oil issues that the 3rd gens have. My 92 W50 used to stay clean for thousands of miles, but now my 2005 is black ALSO by the time I get out of my driveway!!! Eventually, I do already have in my garage a Spinner II centrifugal filter that I would like to install on top of the valve cover. I understand that they do a very good job of spinning out the soot particles!!

 

[steved]

My 92 W50 used to stay clean for thousands of miles, but now my 2005 is black ALSO by the time I get out of my driveway!!!

Unless soot gets excessive, it doesn't hurt a thing... and believe it or not, one of the improvements of CJ-4 (over CI-4 plus) is better soot handling.

 

[seafish]

Unless soot gets excessive, it doesn't hurt a thing... and believe it or not, one of the improvements of CJ-4 (over CI-4 plus) is better soot handling.

Steved, I realize that the generally the soot particles are said to be too small to do any damage, and I believe that to be true. Particularly with my short oil change inetrvals, there is NO reason to be worried about soot in my oil. That being said, I think that it would be WAY cool to mount a Spinner filter onto the valve cover AND install a srt-10 hood with scoop so that the air scoop flows air directly over the spinner so it also works as an oil cooler!!! Just another of my crazy ideas that I want to see happen some day, so I gather the parts as possible. Still, I have many things that I want to do to the truck first, over the spinner, but that's another thread. Oo.

 

[AH64ID]

Unless soot gets excessive, it doesn't hurt a thing... and believe it or not, one of the improvements of CJ-4 (over CI-4 plus) is better soot handling.

Yes and no. . Soot is really abrasive, and the additional "soot handling" of modern oil (not just CJ, but many CI's as well) makes it very hard to filter out. Individual soot particles are smaller than a micron, the best rated bypass on the market is 2um (others may be better, but I haven't seen an official rating) so the soot has to agglomerate to be fully filtered, which modern oil prohibits. . its a double edged sword.



When my cam was replaced there was a little more wear on the tappets and cam than I excepted for only 50K miles. I fully attribute that to soot, as they UOA soot was the only thing that would have caused it, and my soot levels were "acceptable".

 

[steved]

The industry standard is a 5u particle, and it takes a lot of soot to start aglomerating to a 5u particle. And by industry standard, a 5u particle is considered harmless...

 

[AH64ID]

5-7 is what the industry says does the most damage to your motor.

Getting soot to agglomerate to 2um is very hard with modern oil.