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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) 5 pinion seals. every 2 weeks from AAmco

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whats up with this we have hade 5 seaks in a short time

it has a new yoke

it looks to me like the AAMCO guys cut corners on there install

the only good thing I can say is it's under warranty with AAMCO

the last time we where there the guy just layed on the floor and did it

I get the feeling these guys don't give a ****

and it a newly opened shop

thay opened in september

THIS IS GETTING OLD
 
they are getting the seals from

dodge

here in florida it's vary hard to find a shop that will do it the rite way

the guys in these shops get lazy and don't do it by the book and the owner or the guy running the place he don't know a sparkplug from a mac truck but he can run a pc they are aka pretty boys who have never even changed there oil much less worked on a car



you ask them something and they don't know what the freak you are talking about



when we had seal #2 put in the guy told me we had to get a heavy duty seal what a crock of BS
 
Check to make sure the vent isnt clogged. If it is it will blow out a seal in no time.

Its on the driver side of the axle where the brake distribution block is. Its the rubber hose that runs up.
 
Are they tightening the yoke properly.

If you grab the driveshaft close to the yoke does it move?

If so they did a half rate job.

I had a shop change my seal and when they tightened up the nut they only used a 1/2" impact. A week later it was leaking again.

I took it apart, got a new seal and a new yoke, installed them and used a 3/4" torque wrench on it to torque to 500 ft/lbs.

NOW,

I have a Dana 80 and this is how it is said to do in my FSM.

On a dana 70 you are supposed to take an inch pound measurement with the wheels off of the truck, BEFORE doing the seal.
 
If you have a new yoke and you're still eating seals, your pinion bearings may be loose. If they are loose, then the pinion will move around to the point where no seal will last. A second possibility is that the gear lube is running up the splines and coming out from under the pinion nut. Don't laugh. It's very possible and fairly common. Most factory pinion nut washers have a rubber seal built into the center to seal the splines. Silicone or gasket makes will work if your rubber is shot... just make sure it's very clean first.

Also, torque for the pinion nut is 220-280 ft/lbs. While I agree that the proper way is to use a torque wrench, most 1/2" impacts will have enough working torque to hit this range and I don't think that that's the major problem. They may still be installing incorrectly and damaging the seal, or it could be leaking from between the housing and the outside of the seal, or you could have the wrong yoke. There are a lot of things that could be wrong and unless you're up-to-speed on differentials and you watch the process, it's really hard to know where to start.

I would trust the install process for now. Let's look for something they may be missing. You've already checked the vent, added a new yoke, several seals, and several installs.



Let's check for loose pinion bearings: Chock wheels and set parking brake. Put truck in neutral. It's best to take the driveshaft loose from the rear end, but not 100% necessary. Grab the yoke and try to move it around. There should only be radial movement. In other words, you should be able to twist it a few degrees each direction due to normal backlash between the ring gear and pinion gear. However, you should NOT be able to wiggle it around. If you can move it around, then you'll need to reshim the pinion bearings for proper preload.

Dana 70s don't use a crush sleeve between the pinion bearings to set preload. They use shims between the outer pinion bearing (closest to the yoke) and a shoulder on the pinion shaft. If your truck has a lot of miles, or if the pinion seal leaked for a while before you caught it and it ran with low oil, then you could have excessive wear in the pinion bearings. Don't worry, though. Re-shimming the pinion bearing preload is not a difficult job for a competent shadetree or a decent shop mechanic.

The preload spec for new and used pinion bearings is different due to initial break in. New bearings should be set a little tighter so that when they break in, they will not be loose. Used bearings are already broken in and will usually run exactly how you set them. Test bearing preload with the differential removed and the pinion bearings oiled.



AXLE SPECIFICATIONS for D70 taken from 2001 service manual:

DESCRIPTION SPECIFICATION

Axle Ratio 3. 55, 4. 10

Ring Gear Diameter 267 mm (10. 50 in. )

Ring Gear Backlash 0. 12-0. 20 mm (0. 005-0. 008 in. )

Pinion Gear Standard. Depth 136. 53 mm (5. 375 in. )

Pinion Bearing Preload - Original Bearings 1-2 N·m (10-20 in. lbs. )

Pinion Bearing Preload - New Bearings 2. 3-5. 1 N·m (20-45 in. lbs. )



DESCRIPTION Ft. Lbs.

Fill Hole Plug 25

Differential Cover Bolts 35

Bearing Cap Bolts 80

Ring Gear Bolt 130

Pinion Nut 220-280

Axle Shaft Bolts 95

Hub Bearing Nut 120-140
 
they never had the wheels off the truck

I would like to take the truck to a diffrent AAMCO would it still be under warranty with AAMCO

not shure how that works
 
the truck goes back to aamco saturday morning for a new seal

man what a mess I HAVE UNDER MY TRUCK

this is seal 5 or 6 I can't remember
 
If this is the second new yoke those morons are not tightening the pinion nut to torque and/or the pinion bearings are shot. My seal gave out at 185,000 and I had to put a new yoke on with the seal. At 210,000 I got some plastic wrapped up in it and took the seal out again. Did both myself... not that hard at all. If you under/over tighten the pinion nut you could take out the pinion bearing(s).
 
i don't know but the seals that have ben put in only last a week or two

how tight does the nut need to be on a dana 70

these guys think every rearend is the same but not true

WELL I DON'T NEED TO GET STARTED#@$%!
 
The above post from BDaugherty is the same that I show in my Factory Service manual for an 01



Pinion Nut 220-280 lb/ft
 
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we went back AAMCO to day and sat in the wating room the boss walk over and tells me the part is in detroit

it will be here friday there is not a yoke for that truck in fl

what a mass:eek:
 
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