5 speed hard to......

[1tony1]

get in gear from neutral when warm, no problem when it is cold and it doesn't seem to be a clutch or hydraulic problem. Any ideas? Its a 1997 It has the correct mopar fluid and gets worse the hotter it gets. tnx. Tony

 

[b.j.oneill]

Mine has the same problem it is really hard to get into 1st

 

[radixr]

Tony,



Is it difficult to get into any gear? If it's just first or second, you might try shifting into 4th or 5th, first, and then 1st or 2nd. Maybe your synchronizers are shot.

 

[GAmes]

Have you ever changed the transmission oil? Sure made a difference with mine.

 

[BCFAST]

Not sure what the NV gearbox looks like on the inside, but in Porsche gearboxes (Im more familiar there), difficulty getting into a single gear is usually caused by a bent/moved shift fork.

 

[1tony1]

it is hard to get in any gear....

when it is warm or hot. . not when cold... . the fluid was fresh mopar about six months ago when I did the new main shaft with the 5th gear fix... the grade oil I used was about $13 a quart dealer cost... I understand there is some that is about $25 a quart... . it was fine for about 3 months after the shaft. If you play with it but barely moving it out of gear then back in you can tell the insides are spinning because it is grinding a little... maybe it is some kind of clutch release problem, but working the clutch when in gear shows plenty of pedal play before engagement. its got me stumped. bcfast what part of Fl are you in, do you work at a Porsche dealer?

 

[1tony1]

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[illflem]

If your synchronizers are shot you will usually find bronze looking grindings when draining the transmission. Could it be that air has somehow entered the hydraulic system and the clutch isn't fully disengaging? With the newer bleed screwless slaves you sometimes have to park or jack the vehicle so the line is at the highest point on the slave cylinder then fully pump the clutch pedal rapidly ending up with the pedal depressed then holding it down for a minute. Any air will end up in the reservoir. It takes very little air to cause a full disengagement problem. Bet this will fix it, if it returns you're leaking air somewhere.

 

[1tony1]

thanks, illflim but

would it be air in the lines if it doesn't do it cold? I will try thought sounds cheap enuff !! tnx Tony

 

[LarryB]

My money goes on clutch draging when it gets hot. If it was only one certain gear it might indicate syncro problems or shift fork. The difference between hot and cold also to me points to clutch or more specifically the pressure plate. Also your comments about feeling the gears turning strongly when sliding it in and out of gear sounds like the clutch is draging.



A. How old is the clutch?

B. Did it start to do this gradually or all of a sudden?

C. Does the pedal have a definite feel at the top or does it feel a bit spongy? Does this change with temp?

D. how much power are you making?

 

[1tony1]

The clutch and plate is a centerforce and is only abt 6 months old, probably 5000 miles. It did not start over a long period but I'm not sure it was all there in one day. I haven't noticed a spongy clutch or a change in the feel of the pedal when it warms up, but I will pay attention to that. Its getting so bad now that I have to jerk it in gear when it is hot. As far as power: fresh engine, #10 plate, 16mm housing, 370 injectors, catless exhaust with straight muffler, piers govenor springs, afc springs, valve springs, I had the thing running for two days and broke the main shaft in two, after I put the new shaft in it was ok for about 3 months then this started... ... maybe a broken pressure plate... I just can't figure out how the heat comes into play.

 

[LarryB]

Someone with more clutch experience than I might be able to add something here but heat expansion in the clutch/pressure plate/flywheel/linkage might cause a problem if clearances are tight to begin with. I'm not sure but it seems that the clutch is dragging when hot causing the hard shifting. You can duplicate this problem in any standard transmission by not pushing the clutch in all the way. Could be air in the hyd sys or a mech problem. Sure doesn't sound like a transmission problem though. That's about all I can add.

Larry

 

[JTeague]

Clutch problem

Just a thought, The pilot bearing may be trying to seize to the input shaft while warm causing the input shaft to keep turning while the clutch is disengaged.

 

[1tony1]

very good thought JTeague... . looks like its time to quit talking about it and get to work!!