$500 Biodiesel Contraption -- Dual Pole Resin Technology?

[67guzzler]

First things first -- here is the link:



NEW WVO System III



Here it is on eBay for $449 + $49 shipping ready to go.



Note they have a 100% approval rating (275 positives and 0 negatives) on eBay with no negative feedback.



Here is a picture of the equipment:



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Here is a picture of the process:



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Here are the steps as listed on their website:

• Diesel fuel and WO (waste oils) is premixed in the upper tank.
  
• The mixture is then allowed to settle 15 minutes so any water may separate.
  
• The flow valve is opened and the fuel mixture gravity flows into the lower tank.
  
• Lower tank contains a SUPER sized 10 micron filter and two types of resins.
  
• As the fuel moves upwards through the dual resin layers and is "scrubbed"
  
• These resin's remove acids and other corrosive agents found in used oils.
  
• Finally alternative Diesel grade fuel flows out of the discharge hose. DONE!
  

From their site: "Dual-pole resin is NOT regenerate-able like Bio-Pass systems are (their other product they sell that can be cleaned & reused) but will last much longer and is much more convenient to use. Only a coarse 10 micron pre-filter is required before the oil passes through the dual resin layer. Dual-pole resin behaves like a magnet, filtering out particulate matter down to 1/2 micron in size. Dual-pole resins can swell up to 50 times their original size while absorbing all the solid particulates, water bonded fatty acids and glycerin groups. Once fully loaded with contaminants it with swell until it pushes against the upper lid of the filter tank. This will cause the "micro screen" to clog as designed and this event will warn you that it is time to remove the old resin and ad a new refill charge. The good news is that this system can process well over 50,000 gallons of oil before the resin is saturated and needs changing (That is less than 1/10 of penny per gallon, a bargain!) but this depends much on how contaminated your oil is. "



You can use waste motor oil OR waste vegetable / animal oils. You have to mix anywhere from 5% to 50% of diesel with these oils and then run them through the contraption. The ratio varies depending on your climate and the quality / viscosity of the waste oil. The less viscous the waste oil and the hotter the climate, the lower the ratio of diesel you can use.



You have to use 2 bags of their proprietary "Dual-Pole Resin Oil Processing Media" to make this work. Replacements are $199 at their site but they claim you can make 50,000 gallons of diesel before you have to buy new ones. The unit comes with 2 bags included in the $499 price tag... .



So what do you all think? It's different.

 

[ISBPilot]

Looks interesting and a lot simpler than other systems. Something I could handle myself. Does anybody have any experience with this system? Or have an opinion either good or bad. Thanks.



Todd

 

[rweis]

I wonder what the "magic resin" is?



Bob Weis

 

[The patriot]

what is it?

It's magic... ... that's what it is.

Eric

 

[The patriot]

Theyre now $569. 95 + $49. 00 shipping.

Eric

 

[67guzzler]

I know. And at their site they're up to $629. 99 + $49. 00 shipping.



I guess they're getting a lot of orders with fuel prices where they are.....

 

[RAJohnson]

Ok, I am interested in this system you mentioned was selling on E-Bay so I did a little research on the seller and his rating, qaz661 (301)



Most of his sales have been either water heating elements for low voltage, or wind turbine blades for low voltage wind turbines.



But I was able to come up with 10 people who have purchased a Bio-Diesel set up from him. I have e-mailed each of them this question.



Hi there, I see you purchased a Bio-Diesel system not to long ago, I was wondering how it was working for you, is it as easy as they say to turn WVO in to usable Bio-Diesel.



Thanks,



I will post any return e-mails I receive. Oo. FYI



BTW a system he sold in August of 05 was bought for $370. 00 plus shipping.

 

[RAJohnson]

E-Mail responses received.



#1--Works fine for me.



#2--I actually bought 2 systems, a 'greasel' system and a biodiesel. I have not yet used the biodiesel, but I love the greasel system. I am using 25% used vegetable oil to 75% diesel. Truck running fine after a few months and no modifications required to engine. As to actual biodiesel, I've yet to set the system up because of a renovation project, but have done much research and believe it to be a simple process that requires some good preparations. There are a heck of a lot of people doing it! Can't be that difficult! Good luck...

 

[67guzzler]

Thanks for the updates. I've been corresponding with one gentleman who's using fuel he makes. Here's some of what he's sent to me (Thanks Dane!):



[size=-2]"All my research before deciding to make my own fuel brought me to the conclusion that there are more ways to make a diesel substitute than you can shake a stick at! I am not convinced that glycerin and the acids found in WVO will cause any major problem in the newer motors. I do believe that a good burn of the fuel should eliminate the possible glazing and coking problems caused by the presence of glycerin.



The mixture that I personally use is as follows: 25 gallons WVO, 5 gallons diesel fuel, 1&1/4 gallons unleaded gas, 19 ozs diesel service additive (cetane boost available at Walmart) mixed and then run through the WVO System III. Cost is about 68 cents per gallon with no noticable drop in performance. The addition of the diesel, unleaded gas and booster, I believe help in the burn process.



Is it a glorified filter system and does it actually remove the glycerin and acids? Don't know for sure as I have not tested the end product to see if it is present. The key to the system seems to be the dual pole resin beads that are supposed to remove the glycerin molecules.



All I can tell you is I drive a 2001 Crew Cab Stroker with a 100,000 miles on it and I don't notice any difference since the switch to the WVO. "[/size]



I'm thinking about buying this gizmo and then combine it with the Diesel Secret Energy product and see what kind of fuel I can make. I believe that the DSE snake oil probably does something to help burn the glycerin also.



That's the plan anyway. I don't feel like building my own system from scratch even if it saves me a couple hundred bucks.

 

[rweis]

I think the biggest concern is that even though you "think" that there is no damage being done, there could be. There are those that want "hard facts", there are those that "think" it will be ok, there are those that will let others do the "testing". The more certifiable the product is the more likely it will be accepted.



Reminds me of what probably took place in prohibition days. "Sure my corn liquor is good", RIP.



Defintely puts a new slant on th ephrase "I am my own warrantee station". We have rebuilt the product (truck) to various degrees, now we are going about rebuilding the next product (fuel) to various degrees.



Watching and waiting to see how outcomes perform.



Bob Weis

 

[RAJohnson]

Another E-mail reply



Good question. Learning about alternate fuels has been alot of fun but as with most things, you have to weigh what I call the hassle factor. Making real Biodiesel doesn't only involve the process but also the assembling of items like lye, methanol and assorted chemicals for titration (checking ph). The other end of this fuel from oil thing is the straight vegetable oil crowd that says just filter it and burn it. I was looking for something in the middle and found the Biofuel that uses 50% WVO and 50% dinodiesel. Mix it together in a 55 gal drum, add a little cetone booster (4oz) and filter the whole thing through a filtration system that filters as you fill a 35 gal from the bottom up through the filters. What is at the top is top quality blend. Now this isn't quite free since you are buying diesel but it does cut your diesel bill in about half. That is all I need and there is no playing chemist with dangerous chemicals. Good luck, if I can help you further let me know. Bill

 

[67guzzler]

Bill sounds like a good guy. If you correspond with him again can you ask him if he sees an in crease in viscosity beyond what the blend was before it went through the system. In other words, does he think that they system is removing any glycerin thus making it more viscous or is it just the blend that's making it more viscous.....

 

[stumphumper]

I have purchased the diesel secret energy stuff but i have questioned their process of filtering it. I have read that using paper or organic filters swell and clog with Methy Esters (Veg oil) and i don't think using a fuel/water seperation filter will remove all the water. I think using the mixtures of the process is ok but I might combine it with passing it through a process like the system III to futher scrub out the water. I'm still in the research stage of this all and would like to hear what you all come up with. If your doing this biofuel in Jacksonville, fl please contact me. I do much better with hands on demo. thanks ken

 

[RAJohnson]

Another E-mail Oo.



I have my own restaurant WVO and have mixed up approx. 125 gallons at 2 to 1 mix. i have run several hours in my tractor and only mixed 5 gallon of processed WVO in with a tank of fuel in my new duramax chevy. so far no problems... .



Man he could get a real truck :-laf

 

[67guzzler]

Some Updates to the System -- WVO III, Version "C"

Now they've added a heater element.



http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel/drumoilsystem.htm



And now have an instruction page:



http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel/biodrumprocess.htm



Price is up to $669. 95. The price keeps going up but the process is getting more and more appealing.



I'm thinking of using this combined with the DSE additive to ensure the residual glycerine will be burned.

 

[ASnider]

I'm having grave concerns, long term, about "magic resin beads". Why can't they send a sample of their completed "green or black" processed oil to a lab and publish the test results? I doubt it would cost much for the analysis and it would settle the issue vs biodiesel.