$539.95 for an Air Filter??!!

[ThrottleJockey]

WHAT?



Jeez, I LOVE my truck and the engine is amazing, but come on. $ 540 skins is a truck payment.



Those Injen/Amsoil people are out if their friggin' minds.

 

[AKaiser]

It ain't the Amsoil filter that costs so much. I put one in my stock filter box for a reasonable price. BTW, the stock box is more than adequate on a 3d Gen for an unmodded truck, or probably even minor mods/HP adds. Don't know about 2Gs.

 

[Yo Hoot]

I just ordered one for $485. 99 and free shipping. Expensive but not all that much more than the other better systems.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

All Yer $$$ is actually buying, is some "feel good", fancy sheetmetal, and "baffle 'em with BS" ducting...



95% of the real benefit from these add-on "systems", is the better flowing filter element itself...



Such as this - for about $50... :-laf



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OH - and before you fall victim to all the hype about the "vast amounts of underhood heat", and the "need" to bring outside cool air for "added HP" - check out this thread, especially the last half of the thread, as testing progressed:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com.../136388-value-special-aircleaner-ducting.html



Remember P. T. Barnum's famous quote - "A fool and his money are soon parted" :-laf:-laf



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[Yo Hoot]

Yes I know but I'm also paying for all the stuff to get made. I think it's the best "complete" system available and NO BUNGIE CORD :-laf



Yours looks great... can I buy that setup ready to install with all the parts? That's what I'm paying for. I tried to get the "Whistler" from Mark... . no go



So I pay.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Jeez, Hoot. .



Spread some green my way.



Hey Gary, is that a 4510? Is there a bigger filter than that one?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Jeez, Hoot. .



Spread some green my way.



Hey Gary, is that a 4510? Is there a bigger filter than that one?

Yes, it's the Amsoil/Donaldson "Nanofiber" 4510 - is there anything better? Jeeze, I dunno - I had used THIS for quite a while with excellent results - and it was what was used in the test thread I pointed to:



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But so far, nothing I can document as to which filter is "best" in terms of air flow OR filtration - the Amsoil just LOOKS a bit more tidy... :-laf



Let's face it guys, LOTS of the stuff we buy for these trucks is more for "warm and fuzzy" feelings than actual, measurable benefit - and even at that, it's pretty amazing what we can convince our "Seat-of-Pants-meter" of as far as what we'd LIKE to believe...



I have just installed one of Stefan Kondolay's neat new Stainless Steel intake tubes for my '02 - the dyno gains displayed so far are nice - but to some, not overwhelming in terms of $$$ per HP - but at least what added power it DOES make, is all in the mid-RPM range where *I* want and can use it, and for a decently high percentage of the time, not only at WOT, about 1% of the time while towing up a steep grade in the summer...



BESIDES, it LOOKS nice, and impressive! :-laf



SO, when tempted by a nice, efficient aftermarket air filter, wrapped in custom sheet metal with fancy added duct work - ask yourself what the sheetmetal and duct work actually adds in Power (AND $$$!) over the basic filter alone - and DON'T be bashful about asking for actual independent dyno test results that PROVE any power increase claims - on the dyno, testing talks, BS walks...



Of course, if you're buying that sheetmetal for it's LOOKS, then join me and my fancy new air intake! :-laf

 

[IC Smoke]

I had this bent up, Ive got $50 into it!..... its NOT a AFE I just stuck the sticker on it.



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[PRout]

What's Really going on here??

Went from this:

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To This:

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Still waiting on that "Fuzz" factor to kick in. .

BUT! Documented Test Results are as follows:

12. 5 mile drive home from work during rush hour traffic (highway driving):

Amsoil 4510 used BHAF style = 55-70 minutes
PSM Stock Sealed Airbox Mod = 55-70 minutes

I am ok with these results because this is what was basically claimed in the recent TDR Mag article that showed dyno results under different "Real Life" conditions. Since the bottom line indicated in the article was this setup starts to shine while pulling heavy on hot summer days, I'm going to start pulling my 28' 5th wheeler to work and back starting in June. . Oo.

 

[Loren]

Remember P. T. Barnum's famous quote - "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Gary,



P. T. Barnum was the one who said, "There's a sucker born every minute. "



I'm pretty sure that the other quote has been around for hundreds of years, well before P. T. Barnum.



In any case, they both apply here, don't they?



Loren

 

[Yo Hoot]

Easy fellows



I bought the Ingen/Amsoil setup because it's a good looking and very functional system. Calling people suckers because they splurged a little on bling that actually functions as a great airbox is a little harsh. You might as well run around in the forum calling anyone that buys fancy wheels, expensive exhaust including stacks, expensive gauges, expensive diff and trans covers... . suckers too.



Speaking of exhaust, I have a low budget 5" on my truck. I think it was $380 shipped. Are the people that spent $500 for exhaust suckers? Did the $200 more make the truck go faster?



Some of you should think a little before you post. I could sell my 04 and buy and 08 but I'm not fool :-laf

 

[JDiepstra]

Easy fellows



I bought the Ingen/Amsoil setup because it's a good looking and very functional system. Calling people suckers because they splurged a little on bling that actually functions as a great airbox is a little harsh. You might as well run around in the forum calling anyone that buys fancy wheels, expensive exhaust including stacks, expensive gauges, expensive diff and trans covers... . suckers too.



Speaking of exhaust, I have a low budget 5" on my truck. I think it was $380 shipped. Are the people that spent $500 for exhaust suckers? Did the $200 more make the truck go faster?



Some of you should think a little before you post. I could sell my 04 and buy and 08 but I'm not fool :-laf

Ha Ha, burned!

 

[WilsonF]

In till I find something more reliable than TDR magazine I am with PRout. If I remember right they said that BHAF was of no benefit up to about 500HP and in the case of heat even lost to the stock box. That covered power and mileage.

 

[Yo Hoot]

Hey if I get a few horses with the Ingen/Amsoil that's great. As of right now I've been pulling my filter minder regularly with a brand new stock filter and a 4" hole in the bottom of the stock airbox.

The Ingen system looks to do a good job of pulling fresh air in from the fenderwell area.

Don't get me wrong, the do-it-yourself ideas here are great. I just don't have time right now and if I add up the time and parts cost against me making OT at work, it makes no sense. So I buy a nice well designed setup that looks good.

I'll post my experiences once it's on.

BTW: I was looking at other brand cold air systems and most start at around $260. Volante makes one for our trucks that uses a PowerCore filter. It lists at over $600 and for an additional $200 you get the snorkel.

Since the Ea Amsoil filter is cleanable with compressed air, you save $24 everytime you clean it.

Here's the Ingen
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[Loren]

Some of you should think a little before you post. I could sell my 04 and buy and 08 but I'm not fool

Touche, Yo Hoot. I wouldn't have my 08 at all if I hadn't wrecked my 2000 truck due to two seconds inattention.



If I offended anyone with my smart-alec post above, I apologize. We are all free to accessorize however we like, and I am one of the worst offenders, so I have no authority to cast the first stone.



At least we are free for now. With the federal government telling us how much water our toilets can use, how much longer will we be able to install what we want on our trucks? But that's another post.



Loren

 

[Bob4x4]

At least we are free for now. With the federal government telling us how much water our toilets can use, how much longer will we be able to install what we want on our trucks? But that's another post.



Loren

The reality is in Cali as well as other states we are all breaking the law by adding our cold air systems etc. They are not coming with EO stickers and the air filters are part of the emmisions pkg :-laf



Bob

 

[Yo Hoot]

That's cool Loren. I've been known to spew a few myself.

 

[MA2LA]

Hey if I get a few horses with the Ingen/Amsoil that's great. As of right now I've been pulling my filter minder regularly with a brand new stock filter and a 4" hole in the bottom of the stock airbox.



The Ingen system looks to do a good job of pulling fresh air in from the fenderwell area.



Don't get me wrong, the do-it-yourself ideas here are great. I just don't have time right now and if I add up the time and parts cost against me making OT at work, it makes no sense. So I buy a nice well designed setup that looks good.



I'll post my experiences once it's on.



BTW: I was looking at other brand cold air systems and most start at around $260. Volante makes one for our trucks that uses a PowerCore filter. It lists at over $600 and for an additional $200 you get the snorkel.



Since the Ea Amsoil filter is cleanable with compressed air, you save $24 everytime you clean it.



Here's the Ingen

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The biggest problem is that the Nano filters are not all they sy they are. After 30k on my stock replacement I can. t clean it enought o that it wount pull down the filter minder, I haven't tried washing it or anything yetbut compressed air i useless on it. now i just use it when i'm cleaning my afe filter

 

[Yo Hoot]

Anybody else having cleaning problems? This is the first time I've read about it.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Easy fellows



I bought the Ingen/Amsoil setup because it's a good looking and very functional system. Calling people suckers because they splurged a little on bling that actually functions as a great airbox is a little harsh. You might as well run around in the forum calling anyone that buys fancy wheels, expensive exhaust including stacks, expensive gauges, expensive diff and trans covers... . suckers too.



Speaking of exhaust, I have a low budget 5" on my truck. I think it was $380 shipped. Are the people that spent $500 for exhaust suckers? Did the $200 more make the truck go faster?



Some of you should think a little before you post. I could sell my 04 and buy and 08 but I'm not fool :-laf

Easy Hoot - no name calling or insult intended here either - just trying to keep excessive claims and baseless theories - both from manufacturers, AND over-enthusiastic buyers, closer to reality - a better informed buyer/public can always make better choices than those who base buying upon baseless hype and rank misrepresentation - or vague "I *think* I feel/see an improvement"...



Sometimes, the makers/users DO tend to get a bit resentful and defensive - after all, most guys aren't too receptive to being exposed to the fact that what they spent their hard-earned $$$ on isn't REALLY as efficient as they thought, or were told it was - but to then begin to make unfounded, or exaggerated claims as to the benefits of what they bought, merely adds to the deception or misrepresentation of the product - and friends don't DO THAT to friends, do they?



I've been burned pretty well a few times myself, so know that feeling quite well - so at least try a bit harder now to investigate stuff a bit more - and experiment as needed - to make a more informed selection.



Even at that, there is often a mix of benefits - appearance as well as performance - and as long as we are reasonably aware of what the actual percentage of looks vs function REALLY is, great - that's what I meant here:

Let's face it guys, LOTS of the stuff we buy for these trucks is more for "warm and fuzzy" feelings than actual, measurable benefit - and even at that, it's pretty amazing what we can convince our "Seat-of-Pants-meter" of as far as what we'd LIKE to believe...

And to this:

In till I find something more reliable than TDR magazine I am with PRout. If I remember right they said that BHAF was of no benefit up to about 500HP and in the case of heat even lost to the stock box. That covered power and mileage.

AH, but you failed to mention the other, MAIN reason for air filters - FILTERING ABILITY! It's usually far better, and more efficient to move fluids (including air!) more slowly over a larger surface area, to allow the filter media to more effectively remove contaminants - similar to use of oil bypass filters. Just making a judgement of a filter in relation to the HP, or MPG it will potentially deliver, totally misses the primary reason and benefit for it's use!

P. T. Barnum was the one who said, "There's a sucker born every minute. "

YUP - missed it a tad - but as far as the "Sucker" bit - definitely "been there. done that"! :-laf